Las Vegas Shooting: 50+ Dead 500+ Injured at Jason Aldean Concert

[transplant99]

FBI says there is no link between shooter and international terror groups.

[ernie]

I've heard three times this morning "it's too bad we have to have these shootings". Well you don't have to live with them. You choose to live with them because you refuse to demand your representatives put further controls in place that won't actually affect you beyond a superficial level but will give law enforcement better tools to deal with these things before the shooting starts. End rant.

In Vegas in three weeks time for a hockey tournament and Knights vs Blues game. I'm sure it won't be the same carefree place it usually is. It'll take quite some time for the city to heal and figure out how to prevent it from happening again.

[Barnes]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Weird how two windows are blown out that arent exactly side by side.






I dont know Mandalay Bay's layout but to me it looks like he was shooting from 2 different rooms and very different angles. Almost like he could shoot from one spot, forcing people to move one direction...then move to the other spot knowing they would be corralled in that spot for easy targeting. Heinous stuff if true.

I've stayed there and from what I can recall, the angled part would have been a suite as they are on the ends of the hotel and the left window would be an adjoining room.

[Phil1111]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Look, I'm the guy he posted that in rebuttal to, but he's not "trying to define" anything, he's just referring to a statute. If Nevada law says the guy's a terrorist then he's a terrorist for all practical purposes and it's not wrong to call him such, regardless of whether he meets the usual colloquial definition of that term.

No slight is intended. Politicians, lawmakers so to speak, sometimes write laws to give broad definitions to terrorism. In order to license actions by police and prosecutors. In order to give addition leeway to courts in their sentencing, liability definitions and ability to define wrongdoing.

Entire books, thesis, in law are devoted to statutes on terror. In the end if his actions are not motivated to influence events, influence discourse beyond his evil mind. The confluence of politics and the definition of terror define him as an individual.Deranged.

politics "the activities associated with the governance of a country or other area, especially the debate or conflict among individuals or parties having or hoping to achieve power."

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/journal...J/2004/22.html

Events like this and what occurred in Edmonton. Call upon many to use quick labels to define what may require deep, through and lengthy analysis.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Governor of Nevada: "The shooting is an unprecedented event in our nation's history. We're going to have to learn from this"

The rest of us: "See you next mass shooting"

[Coys1882]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Governor of Nevada: "The shooting is an unprecedented event in our nation's history. We're going to have to learn from this"

The rest of us: "See you next mass shooting"

Saw this on Twitter:

In retrospect Sandy Hook marked the end of the US gun control debate. Once America decided killing children was bearable, it was over.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Oh and they're taking up a bill this week to make it much easier to buy silencers, because Murica. Just imagine this event with a silencer. Probably 5 times as many deaths. Murica is such a lost cause.

[Acey]

That Sandy Hook tweet is maybe one of the most poignant and memorable in the history of Twitter. Can't count the number of times I've seen people make reference to it.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Agreed.

This is terrorism by any other name.

I'm not trying to throw this discussion off course, but....

It's important to properly use the term terrorism for a couple of major reasons:

1. The way we deal with terrorism vs. deranged lone gunmen is totally different. Lone gunmen involve issues of gun control and mental health. Terrorism involves disrupting networks of people.

2. The impact of being targeted due to your ethnicity, political beliefs, religion, nationality, sexual orientation etc.. is entirely different and has impacts on whole communities. A random act of violence is horrific and significant but doesn't have the same effect on a population of people.

[Ozy_Flame]

No gun control will come from this. Politicians and talking heads will all espouse that we need to think about the person committing the crime, and do a deep internal look at what we value most. So basically nothing but a platitude as a mechanism for "change".

The US' love for guns seems like the equivalent of a heroin addict who sees all his friends' lives ruined by it, but an inability to have inner reflection and self-directed "change" is the problem, not the heroin itself.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Governor of Nevada: "The shooting is an unprecedented event in our nation's history. We're going to have to learn from this"

The rest of us: "See you next mass shooting"

http://www.theonion.com/article/no-w...larly-ha-57086

‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens

I think the Onion has re-used this same article like 30 times now.

[Muta]

I've never understood why someone would WANT to own a violent item such as gun. What is it about guns that people like so much? There's so many other beautiful things in the world you could focus your time and energy on other than possessing the latest killing machine. Such a strange culture.

[Minnie]

So a day that ends in Y in the US then?

Jeebus. Yay guns and rights.

[llwhiteoutll]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Oh and they're taking up a bill this week to make it much easier to buy silencers, because Murica. Just imagine this event with a silencer. Probably 5 times as many deaths. Murica is such a lost cause.

How would access to suppressors result in more gun deaths?

I’d say your statement is founded in knowledge gleaned from movies and a fundamental misunderstanding of what a suppressor is actual capable of doing

[Mazrim]

So many nice people in Vegas...I feel terrible for them. A friend of mine who lives there is an avid concert goer, but did not attend this one. Two of his friends did and they thankfully made it out fine. Going to be a tough day for everyone there.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Muta

I've never understood why someone would WANT to own a violent item such as gun. What is it about guns that people like so much? There's so many other beautiful things in the world you could focus your time and energy on other than possessing the latest killing machine. Such a strange culture.

I'm not a gun guy, I don't own any, I don't even have a PAL. I do admit though, some of them look pretty cool. I would like to own one "kinda". Just not enough to do any of the things required of me to actually own one, like pay money for it.

To me "I enjoy these things" is a perfectly viable argument for gun rights. Not a good one, like it won't sway my thoughts on gun control, but I accept that it's a valid reason. Much more so than the ridiculous self defence argument.

[troutman]

Awful news.

I wonder what this means for outdoor events in the future? Harder to control than indoor events.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Incorrect. It's extremely hard to acquire a fully automatic weapon, even in the USA. In Canada, it's basically impossible.

Oft times people confuse semi-automatic, i.e.: the AR-15 style rifles used at Sandy Hook, and fully autos that look like AR-15s, but are typically only used by the military.

Semi-auto does not equal fully auto, despite how a weapon looks.

Having said all that, it doesn't really matter. An AR-15 is just as deadly, and America's addiction to cool ass looking firearms is damaging to their society and culture.

A semi-automatic weapon is much deadlier than full automatic weapon, IMO.

[CgyFlamesftw]

A month ago I was at the same hotel, same floor and same view probably just beside that Mandalay suite.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

A semi-automatic weapon is much deadlier than full automatic weapon, IMO.

I've heard this assertion from multiple military personnel over the years.