2017/2018 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[GranteedEV]

I wouldn't deal Kylington for Kapanen. Andersson may be more "NHL ready" but I am not sold on his upside. I think Kylington should be seen all the way through unless the return is a cost-controlled sure-fire top line rhs forward. Trading a maybe for a maybe doesn't pique my fancy at all. In fact with Jankowski graduating Kylington would be our most dynamic skater prospect. I love Fox too but he is undersized whereas Kylington should be Giordano sized when he fills out his frame. I am pretty confident Kylington's value - and trade value - are trending upwards steadily.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

I think Andersson kind of sucks.

I mean, he's probably great for a Flames prospect, but I didn't see much from him during this preseason.

Kylington was much better and more noticeable in my opinion, even if he was getting himself out of position or turning the puck over.

Would trade Andersson before Kylington.

When Andersson was drafted, I read 'Finnish PK Subban' on various publications on the internet.

Having seen him for a few camps now, he's clearly not that. But I do think he could be a Dennis Wideman in his prime sort of player. Before anyone goes to their safe space over that, Wideman at one point had six consecutive 30 point seasons, and in three of those he was over 40. His first 2 seasons in Calgary, he was also on pace to be a 30+ point D, and it wasn't until his final two seasons that he truly lost it.

Wideman was obviously an imperfect D, but he was a useful one. And I see the same in Andersson.

Kylington, on the other hand, can flat out do things most guys in the league can't do. He's the Jankowski of our defense prospects - he's a long term project, and we shouldn't trade him.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

I think Andersson kind of sucks.

I mean, he's probably great for a Flames prospect, but I didn't see much from him during this preseason.

Kylington was much better and more noticeable in my opinion, even if he was getting himself out of position or turning the puck over.

Would trade Andersson before Kylington.

There's the thing about Kylington. He has all of the tools, but I don't think he has the toolbox. Andersson is not as gifted a player, but he is way smarter and makes plays. When he's beat, he's beat. But he makes good reads in his own zone and generates offense. I think Andersson plays in the NHL as a middle pair defenseman. If Kylington makes it, he has first pair talent. I'm just not sure he has the head to play at the NHL level. I wouldn't be upset at either of them being used to fill a hole, but I think the one with the least risk is Andersson.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by New Era

There's the thing about Kylington. He has all of the tools, but I don't think he has the toolbox. Andersson is not as gifted a player, but he is way smarter and makes plays. When he's beat, he's beat. But he makes good reads in his own zone and generates offense. I think Andersson plays in the NHL as a middle pair defenseman. If Kylington makes it, he has first pair talent. I'm just not sure he has the head to play at the NHL level. I wouldn't be upset at either of them being used to fill a hole, but I think the one with the least risk is Andersson.

I think you're being unfair to Kylington with the 'no toolbox' comment. Defensemen take time. There has been undeniable progression between Kylington of this year and last.

His problem remains that he tries to do too much. He doesn't let the game come to him. He skates himself into trouble, and needs to learn to make the smart, safe play automatically. Basically, he thinks too much.

With that said, Kylington was drafted two years ago, and has played over 100 AHL games.

As a comparison, Brodie made the opening night roster two years after he was drafted - he played 3 games, and spent the rest of the year in Abbotsford. It wasn't until a year later that he became a quasi-full time NHLer, and even then he only played 54 games.

All of Kylington's flaws seem like they're correctable/things he'll grow out of. That could just be blind optimism, but I don't think it is.

[MisterJoji]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

The Avs rape us in that deal. Fox is going to be an offensive stud, everything indicates so. Andersson projects to be a solid 3-4 D man and Jankowski is at worst going to be a very good 3rd line C and at best Joe Thornton, probably somewhere in between that. There is still a decent chance Janks becomes as good a player as Duchene, maybe not offensively but all around better and we are going to add in two very good young D prospects for a guy that could jet to UFA status in the near future. F that.

I wouldn’t do the deal either, but given all the speculation that Sakic is asking for the moon in a Duchene deal, this is kind over overpayment is probably the ask. I get being optimistic but staying absolutes like Fox is going to be a stud isn’t 100% true. Jon Merrill, Derek Forbort, Danny Biega and the list goes on of top scoring college defenseman who didn’t pan out. Not saying Fox won’t be great, but he’s not a guarantee. As for Andersson, you know who else projected to be a 3-4 Dman a few years ago, Wotherspoon. How’s that working? I like the enthusiasm for our prospects but you need to pump the brakes a bit.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

I think Andersson kind of sucks.

What a brutal take

He was the best of the group of young d-prospects this camp and had a very strong rookie season in the AHL last year.

But he "sucks".

Why are you the way you are?

[ShotDownInFlames12]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Jankowski is at worst going to be a very good 3rd line C and at best Joe Thornton

Lol

[pepper24]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Jankowski is at worst going to be a very good 3rd line C and at best Joe Thornton, probably somewhere in between that.

Ha, nope




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[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

I think Andersson kind of sucks.

I mean, he's probably great for a Flames prospect, but I didn't see much from him during this preseason.

Kylington was much better and more noticeable in my opinion, even if he was getting himself out of position or turning the puck over.

Would trade Andersson before Kylington.

It was the complete opposite for me. Andersson > Kylington

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

I think you're being unfair to Kylington with the 'no toolbox' comment. Defensemen take time. There has been undeniable progression between Kylington of this year and last.

His problem remains that he tries to do too much. He doesn't let the game come to him. He skates himself into trouble, and needs to learn to make the smart, safe play automatically. Basically, he thinks too much.

With that said, Kylington was drafted two years ago, and has played over 100 AHL games.

As a comparison, Brodie made the opening night roster two years after he was drafted - he played 3 games, and spent the rest of the year in Abbotsford. It wasn't until a year later that he became a quasi-full time NHLer, and even then he only played 54 games.

All of Kylington's flaws seem like they're correctable/things he'll grow out of. That could just be blind optimism, but I don't think it is.

Those are all fair comments. Kylington is definitely a work in progress. As I said, he shows all the tools. My concern, and I think it is a concern that was addressed when he was drafted, is that he is slow to learn from his mistakes. When I say that I mean that he continues to make the same mistakes and he is not responding to the learning opportunities quickly, like his counterparts. As you point out, he is still very young and that works to his advantage. I still think he is a very good prospect, but more of a long term guy, like you suggested.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by New Era

Matt Duchene is Jordan Eberle with a better press agent. You don't win with Matt Duchene. Anyone who gives up a big package for Duchene is going to regret it. That's why he is still in Colorado. No one is willing to give anything of significant value for Duchene, as it should be.

I see Matt Duchene as a player who is smallish, kinda soft, one-dimensional, with a big contract that's up in two years. He's lightning quick, but IMO he's overrated. Landeskog would help us more, and I'd do cartwheels if we could pick up Rantanen, but that's not going to happen.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by pepper24

Ha, nope




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How so?

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by MisterJoji

I wouldn’t do the deal either, but given all the speculation that Sakic is asking for the moon in a Duchene deal, this is kind over overpayment is probably the ask. I get being optimistic but staying absolutes like Fox is going to be a stud isn’t 100% true. Jon Merrill, Derek Forbort, Danny Biega and the list goes on of top scoring college defenseman who didn’t pan out. Not saying Fox won’t be great, but he’s not a guarantee. As for Andersson, you know who else projected to be a 3-4 Dman a few years ago, Wotherspoon. How’s that working? I like the enthusiasm for our prospects but you need to pump the brakes a bit.

Ok, none of those D men you just mentioned had the numbers or showings of Fox. Did anybody honestly ever project Wotherspoon to be anything more than a 5-6 guy? I sure didn't and can't remember anyone thinking that. A better example might have been Kulak, I thought he had a chance to possibly be a 3-4 guy.

[Inglewood Jack]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

How so?

you're talking about 1007 career assists, 1391 career points, 114 point season during his prime Joe Thornton right? not like, a different Joe or Shawn Thornton?

[savardandjokinen]

There's no way Janko will ever be a Joe Thornton, that's like saying we have our next Iginla.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by savardandjokinen

There's no way Janko will ever be a Joe Thornton, that's like saying we have our next Iginla.

We do have our next Iginla, his name is Matt Tkachuk.

And what's even better is that we have three very promising young centres in Monahan, Bennett and Jankowski, all of whom look like top two line centres with a chance st being 1st liners.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by savardandjokinen

There's no way Janko will ever be a Joe Thornton, that's like saying we have our next Iginla.

But who was Iginla before he was the league's top power forward? He was a prospect who had upside and was traded to the Flames. Do you think Dallas knew what he was? Obviously not, or there's no way they would have traded him.

[savardandjokinen]

Originally Posted by jayswin

But who was Iginla before he was the league's top power forward? He was a prospect who had upside and was traded to the Flames. Do you think Dallas knew what he was? Obviously not, or there's no way they would have traded him.

That's fair, but we couldn't get a Joe Nieuwendyk for Janko, and Iggy was traded not very long after his draft. Janko is in his 6th year after being drafted. This isn't a knock against Janko at all, I'm a big fan, but the Joe Thornton comparison was far fetched.

[Matt Reeeeead]

At the same age as Janko is now, joe Thornton already had 250 career points in the NHL including two point per game seasons.

Hey, I like janko. But he had a point per game season in the Ahl... a bit different. Let's wait for janko to maybe hood down an NHL roster spot and get a few points before we anoint him anything.

I see the upside being something like backlund. This isn't an offensive dynamo. He's going to hopefully be a really great defensive minded c with his size, and hopefully chips in offensively. We shall see. I see the range of outcomes anywhere from 4th line centre to 2nd line centre, but he's going to be an NHL player. That's a good thing. But joe Thornton? No chance.


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[Samonadreau]

A better ceiling for Janko would be a Ryan Johansen. Still a stretch but thats what i would go with.