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Swayze11 · 09-15-2017, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by calgaryblood

Fan 960 guys are so so biased. "Wait and see", yeah one side has given their side and thats all you need to see to know the city is in the right here.

Okay, I'll bite. Their jobs depend on the Flames. What do you expect? Rob Kerr has been the poster boy for this new arena and the biggest cheerleader on the Flames side.

ToraToraTora · 09-15-2017, 01:45 PM

Does anyone know what the ownership percentages are in CSEC? I mean, depending on that, it might not matter if 5/6 owners dont want to leave and one does.

You Need a Thneed · 09-15-2017, 01:45 PM

Instead of spending $25 million on demolishing the Saddledome, can we spend $25 million on turning into a indoor amusement park / water park instead?

Lanny_McDonald · 09-15-2017, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ynwa03

I don't think this answers my question at all. Going to a dealership to buy a car is quite different than a team needing to move because they are losing money. If an owner is losing money, and Calgary has no team and is open to having a team - why would they offer that owner a better deal than what we saw this morning?

Because the City would have a building sitting there, with no tenant and no revenue?

If you are an owner and you have a commodity that people want, are you not going to try and squeeze every bit of value out of it? If Calgary and Quebec City are both available, are you not going to use those to negotiate? If Seattle has a team, are you not going to approach Portland, and try and get some interest out of them? You're going to do everything in your power to make sure that you get the absolute best deal for the money you are about to spend. We know Calgary will support a team, but what other earning opportunities are there? The other sites might offer sweeteners that make it worth your while, or you can use to drive the lease down.

transplant99 · 09-15-2017, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Swayze11

Okay, I'll bite. Their jobs depend on the Flames. What do you expect? Rob Kerr has been the poster boy for this new arena and the biggest cheerleader on the Flames side.

As well, they carried the presser live start to finish, then talked about it for at least 45 minutes afterwards. There is only so much they can really say.

Manhattanboy · 09-15-2017, 01:46 PM

When I was a kid I used to go to Stamps games with one of the owners. I do know that the public's reaction to CalgaryNEXT (which I admit was rolled out really poorly), which was seen by the owners to be part of their legacy in this City, has been a huge disappointment for them. I blame King for much of what has happened.

Table 5 · 09-15-2017, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ComixZone

What's cool is that in KK's response to one of the questions - it does sound like we're going to get to see the actual design of the $500M building that the Flames have in mind.

I'm pretty excited about that.

The Flames have under-estimated the power of renderings and good design from the start. Renderings, if done well, get people excited and shift focus from hard facts to softer narratives that you can sell. It's important especially when your financial proposals are dubious at best.

As the wise business man Cosmo Kramer once said, you don't sell the steak, you sell the sizzle. It's doubly true when your steak is slightly rancid chuck.

transplant99 · 09-15-2017, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ToraToraTora

Does anyone know what the ownership percentages are in CSEC? I mean, depending on that, it might not matter if 5/6 owners dont want to leave and one does.

Edwards is the majority owner.....beyond that I have no idea how it breaks down.

Manhattanboy · 09-15-2017, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ToraToraTora

Does anyone know what the ownership percentages are in CSEC? I mean, depending on that, it might not matter if 5/6 owners dont want to leave and one does.

I suspect there are standard ROFR and buy/sell provisions in their partnership agreement.

Locke · 09-15-2017, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

When I was a kid I used to go to Stamps games with one of the owners. I do know that the public's reaction to CalgaryNEXT (which I admit was rolled out really poorly), which was seen by the owners to be part of their legacy in this City, has been a huge disappointment for them. I blame King for much of what has happened.

In fairness they've had a lot of opportunities to replace him and not done it. If you're not happy with the way one of your employees executes their task you have options.

Swayze11 · 09-15-2017, 01:50 PM

So based on reading this thread it sounds like the Flame side is the one that wants the dome demolished? Has this been confirmed? If so, what is the reasoning? The City of Calgary owns the building.

I apologize if this has been answered already.

Manhattanboy · 09-15-2017, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Locke

In fairness they've had a lot of opportunities to replace him and not done it. If you're not happy with the way one of your employees executes their task you have options.

As I have said before he must be a hell of an operating CEO because he is a PR disaster.

Table 5 · 09-15-2017, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Swayze11

So based on reading this thread it sounds like the Flame side is the one that wants the dome demolished? Has this been confirmed? If so, what is the reasoning?

They don't want the competition for events.

Inglewood Jack · 09-15-2017, 01:52 PM

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CaptainCrunch · 09-15-2017, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ynwa03

I think there are more teams losing money than there are other viable markets that don't currently have a team. Where would Florida move? Carolina?

Sure commit to building an arena and you might get on the list.

Otherwise, your not on a relocation list.

Ozy_Flame · 09-15-2017, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

As I have said before he must be a hell of an operating CEO because he is a PR disaster.

I doubt it. I get the impression that the higher-ups in the Flames organization are friends first, business partners second. I bet King golfs and has a pint with them. Kind of like a close-knit clique.

Parallex · 09-15-2017, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Swayze11

So based on reading this thread it sounds like the Flame side is the one that wants the dome demolished? Has this been confirmed? If so, what is the reasoning? The City of Calgary owns the building.

I apologize if this has been answered already.

The suspicion is that they don't want another high capacity arena to compete against for non-CS&E properties.

surferguy · 09-15-2017, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Table 5

They don't want the competition for events.

Will there be a stage for Garth brooks in the new waterpark?

Makarov · 09-15-2017, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by transplant99

I thought Nenshi addressed this.

there is a clause for professional sports teams that allows them to be treated differently in regards to paying taxes that does not apply to all other industries from what i recall he said.

Section 333.1 of Alberta's Municipal Government Act permits a municipality to enter into a "tax agreement" regarding property used for professional sports. A tax agreement is an agreement to accept an annual lump sum payment in lieu of property taxes.

Manhattanboy · 09-15-2017, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Locke

In fairness they've had a lot of opportunities to replace him and not done it. If you're not happy with the way one of your employees executes their task you have options.

Also firing King now is a non-starter from a negotiating point of view. They are between a rock. Surely they can't be blind to fact that he is damaging their cause.