Big Brother 19

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Watching Cody cracking up while everyone argues is priceless.

[Machiavelli]

Yup, the final 3 Paul wanted all along. Yawn.

[Weitz]

At least Josh could potentially beat Paul in final HOH.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

I've read rumours that they changed the first HOH for final 3 so that Xmas can compete and possibly win.

It's stupid but it would be pretty lame if she wasn't medically cleared to play and made a further farce out of this season. Although lots of people seem to think its worse that they've allegedly changed it.

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

I've read rumours that they changed the first HOH for final 3 so that Xmas can compete and possibly win.

It's stupid but it would be pretty lame if she wasn't medically cleared to play and made a further farce out of this season. Although lots of people seem to think its worse that they've allegedly changed it.

That's the trick. They actually changed it for Paul, to ensure his victory.

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by Weitz

That's the trick. They actually changed it for Paul, to ensure his victory.

"Raise your hand if your name is Paul"

....

"Congratulations Paul you go directly to final 2!"

[Calgary14]

Was Raven acting or is she actually that clueless? At least Paul can count on that vote for sure since she is convinced she is 'pulling all the strings' from the jury house

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by Calgary14

Was Raven acting or is she actually that clueless? At least Paul can count on that vote for sure since she is convinced she is 'pulling all the strings' from the jury house

She is clueless, insane, and a habitual liar.

I actually only watching the jury portions of tonight's episode. Some great tv there haha.

[mile]

Josh has a decent chance of winning the F3 HoH and Paul could suffer the same fate as Vanessa. That would be the third straight year where the best player didn't win. Part 3 of the last HoH is a total crapshoot, anyone can win that.

Raven is a con artist and a compulsive liar. She's gonna get a ton of hate after this is all over, hope she can handle it.

Jury will be bitter but if Paul is in F2, I think they will put their bitterness aside when they see who is sitting next to him.

[VANFLAMESFAN]

Raven being so delusional was just shocking. I knew she was an absolute mess, but the "puppet master" thing was ridiculous.

I hate Paul, like despise him, but think about it this way, Jason and Alex thought he was with them, Matt and Raven thought he was with them, Kevin thought he was his ride or die and each group had no idea the others had the same feelings. Hate Paul, but admire how he was manipulated this cast no matter how weak they collectively were at this game.

If Paul doesn't win, I will be shocked and I have been saying this since Week 3 or so.

[mile]

Paul not owning up to his lies in his goodbye messages (and Josh blowing them up in his own messages) could also be his downfall. It comes across as pretty insulting. Should've also just voted Alex out after not using the veto on her and own up to the move, instead of forcing the tie. Better to be honest than try to manipulate the jury vote like that and have everyone see through it.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Except I don't think Alex will ever realize Paul played her. For Paul to lose an angry Josh needed to go to jury now because he's one of the few that sees thru Paul's lies. Even if he's the last evicted I doubt he'll be able to sway the jury.

I could see Mark, Elena, Cody and maybe Jason voting against Paul. But Matt, Raven, Alex and Kevin being locks in his favour.

But I'm not sure who Paul brings to F2 with him. I'd bring Josh because he's hated and maybe swings Mark and Cody's vote. But Xmas is useless so I doubt she gets many votes and might be mad if Paul turns on her since she's already admitted she'd bring him to F2. Then again she's in love with him so I could see her voting for him either way.

[savardandjokinen]

I think Paul would take josh because Christmas does have this "broken leg" argument for a win and cody, mark and Elena may not vote josh. However I think if it's Christmas vs Paul a vote for Christmas is a vote against Paul and Paul may beat josh due to the things josh has done to people

[Calgary14]

Paul vs Josh or Paul vs Christmas - either way Paul wins. Guessing tonight's episode is one of those recap ones with clips from the past couple months

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by VANFLAMESFAN

Raven being so delusional was just shocking. I knew she was an absolute mess, but the "puppet master" thing was ridiculous.

I hate Paul, like despise him, but think about it this way, Jason and Alex thought he was with them, Matt and Raven thought he was with them, Kevin thought he was his ride or die and each group had no idea the others had the same feelings. Hate Paul, but admire how he was manipulated this cast no matter how weak they collectively were at this game.

If Paul doesn't win, I will be shocked and I have been saying this since Week 3 or so.

He deserves to win, and I agree with you with the only caveat being this jury did seem kind of bitter

So I'd give it maybe a 5% chance if Josh gives a great speech he has a chance

[Hockey Fan #751]

Originally Posted by savardandjokinen

I think Paul would take josh because Christmas does have this "broken leg" argument for a win and cody, mark and Elena may not vote josh. However I think if it's Christmas vs Paul a vote for Christmas is a vote against Paul and Paul may beat josh due to the things josh has done to people

Paul's best hope is that Christmas wins the final HOH and then takes him. A bitter Josh at that point would vote for Paul to win.

[mile]

Potential spoiler regarding the jury vote from reddit/hamsterwatch:

Spoiler!

If so, ouch. But I can't blame the jurors in this case - his jury management has been poor. I think it's worse than last year. Could also be that Matt and Raven have been so awful and hated that no one wants to vote with them.

If he wins, he deserves to win. But if he loses, he definitely deserves to lose.

[savardandjokinen]

Originally Posted by mile

Potential spoiler regarding the jury vote from reddit/hamsterwatch:

Spoiler!

If so, ouch. But I can't blame the jurors in this case - his jury management has been poor. I think it's worse than last year. Could also be that Matt and Raven have been so awful and hated that no one wants to vote with them.

If he wins, he deserves to win. But if he loses, he definitely deserves to lose.

Spoiler!

I don't see how a guy like Cody would vote for Josh. I wouldn't count anyone out at this point. I think Christmas definitely has the best chance.

[Erick Estrada]

So what's the deal with Paul and Christmas? According to the last episode it sounds like she's falling for him but according to Paul she's just cool. Does he still have a girlfriend outside of the house? He's never been one to really flirt with the females over two seasons.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by d_phaneuf

He deserves to win, and I agree with you with the only caveat being this jury did seem kind of bitter

So I'd give it maybe a 5% chance if Josh gives a great speech he has a chance

Paul deserves to win but IMO he played way too hard for the jury votes and some of them may feel insulted about him lying in his goodbye messages. May be his downfall at the end.