Omar F*****G Khadr is getting $10.5 milion

[CampbellsTransgressions]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Pretty spot on opinion piece that sums up the whole affair in a very unbiased way.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opin...ticle35579228/

Meanwhile they downplay the whole Guantanamo Bay torture aspect but make sure to leave room in the conclusion for a potshot at Trudeau.

Nevermind the premise of the article being that elites sympathize with Khadr while the people don't.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Pretty spot on opinion piece that sums up the whole affair in a very unbiased way.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opin...ticle35579228/

"Unbiased" lol, good one.

That's as biased as an article that I've read on the subject. Down plays the charter when it comes to criminals and also down plays the torture as "mistreated".

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

"Unbiased" lol, good one.

That's as biased as an article that I've read on the subject. Down plays the charter when it comes to criminals and also down plays the torture as "mistreated".

You must not read very much then.

[White Out 403]

lol @ that article. what garbage.

I dont know whats worse, the claim Adler is a reasonable centrist (LOL) or the closing shot at Trudeau. What a joke.

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by GGG

Yes, war sucks, why don't you bring up every nameless Afghan civilian killed in similar raids. There are victims innocent throughout wars on both sides. It sucks. If your point is war creates orphans and that shouldn't be forgotten I agree with you.

Originally Posted by CampbellsTransgressions

This thread is about Omar Khadr and the Canadian government being complicit in his torture, not about whether the US military should better compensate families for lost loved ones.

No kidding right?

Someone earlier in the thread brought up the idea of a kind of unconscious racism fueling this thread, which i dismissed out of hand... however, some recent posts have made me reconsider.

Of course its terrible that Speer's family isn't going to have a dad for the rest of their lives.

Equally bad? all the families incinerated by hell fire missile strikes that obliterated not only nuclear and extended family, but probably also their homes.

Can those posters name one child? One name? No. Only the names of Speer's kids.

Seems like empathy here is pretty one sided...

US military deaths in Afghanistan since 2001? around 2400.
Afghanistan Civilians killed since 2001? over 104 000.

Let's not forget about them right? What were their names again?

[Schraderbrau]

Originally Posted by GGG

Yes, war sucks, why don't you bring up every nameless Afghan civilian killed in similar raids. There are victims innocent throughout wars on both sides. It sucks. If your point is war creates orphans and that shouldn't be forgotten I agree with you.

Thanks for agreeing with me. I knew you would eventually see the error in your ways and come around. I appreciate it.

[Kjesse]

Even if by the letter of the law he gets compensation, he should have been taken to trial to get it.

Would have been one of the most important trials in Canadian history. The evidence that would come out would probably also very embarrassing for the government, but so be it. This needed to finished publicly not via a confidential closed door negotiation where the facts are hidden.

Consider how this looks to the soldiers of Canada. They die/get maimed and at most they get a meager pension or an honourable funeral. Think how this looks to the bad guys -- their combatant is now rich beyond his wildest dreams.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by transplant99

You must not read very much then.

Enough to know it's a biased article. Just because you agree with something doesn't mean it's not unbiased.

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by CampbellsTransgressions

Meanwhile they downplay the whole Guantanamo Bay torture aspect but make sure to leave room in the conclusion for a potshot at Trudeau.

Nevermind the premise of the article being that elites sympathize with Khadr while the people don't.

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

"Unbiased" lol, good one.

That's as biased as an article that I've read on the subject. Down plays the charter when it comes to criminals and also down plays the torture as "mistreated".

LOL

I thought I was reading an Onion article! Sure, there are some decent points made, particularly on CSIS involvement being minor...

but a lot read like it was from Kelly Anne Conway/Steve Bannon playbook: just push the populist hot buttons!

Villiannize the mainstream media? Check
Callout 'the ruling class'? Check
Compare 'main street' to the 'elite'? Check
Challenge one's patriotism or citizenship? ("Sure he checks all the boxes...but was his family ever Canadian in spirit") Check
Challenge established institutions (“The elites think these folks don’t understand the rule of law,” Mr. Adler tells me. “Well, they do understand the law. They just don’t like what the law tells them to do.” )? Check

I mean believe what ever you want about the merits of the case, but the last thing that article was is unbiased...

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Delgar

Even if by the letter of the law he gets compensation, he should have been taken to trial to get it.

Would have been one of the most important trials in Canadian history. The evidence that would come out would probably also very embarrassing for the government, but so be it. This needed to finished publicly not via a confidential closed door negotiation where the facts are hidden.

Consider how this looks to the soldiers of Canada. They die/get maimed and at most they get a meager pension or an honourable funeral. Think how this looks to the bad guys -- their combatant is now rich beyond his wildest dreams.

I think this is a good point. There would have been a lot of value in determining or at least the public hearing about what Canada knew and when they knew it. I think you would have had less resistance to accepting the payout if it was clearly identified by the courts what Canada didn't do and should have done.

[Harry Lime]

Some of the posts here have moved more into the anti-war arena, which isn't really to the point of this particular case.

I apologize if this has been answered, but does he have access to the funds immediately, and is he able to transfer then to another party?

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

Villiannize the mainstream media? Check
Callout 'the ruling class'? Check
Compare 'main street' to the 'elite'? Check

Yeah, it's an interesting angle. She's worked at the Globe for more than 30 years. It has always been (and has always been vilified as) the paper of record for the TO/Ottawa 'ruling class' and 'elite'.

When did it become such a no-nonsense voice for the common man? The Sun must be pissed at them horning in on their market.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Delgar

Even if by the letter of the law he gets compensation, he should have been taken to trial to get it.

Would have been one of the most important trials in Canadian history. The evidence that would come out would probably also very embarrassing for the government, but so be it. This needed to finished publicly not via a confidential closed door negotiation where the facts are hidden.

Consider how this looks to the soldiers of Canada. They die/get maimed and at most they get a meager pension or an honourable funeral. Think how this looks to the bad guys -- their combatant is now rich beyond his wildest dreams.

To me the biggest problem is the secretive nature of the whole thing. If it wasn't for a leak that the Liberals had to get ahead of, would we have learned about this. Plus it seems slimy that the Canadian Government strategy was to hide this from the lawsuit in the States.

That's where my problem is.

the question of can he transfer the money anywhere? Sure, but I'm sure that those funds are going to be watched by CSIS to see if they are transferred anywhere that they shouldn't be going.

But I doubt Khadr is going to do that, I'm taking his anti-radical statements on face value.

[Amethyst]

Originally Posted by GGG

I think this is a good point. There would have been a lot of value in determining or at least the public hearing about what Canada knew and when they knew it. I think you would have had less resistance to accepting the payout if it was clearly identified by the courts what Canada didn't do and should have done.

I think there would have just been as much resistance, but with the complaint changed to include how our courts are too easy on crime. However it was resolved, it was going to upset people, so cut the losses financially and wrap things up sooner than later.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

To me the biggest problem is the secretive nature of the whole thing. If it wasn't for a leak that the Liberals had to get ahead of, would we have learned about this. Plus it seems slimy that the Canadian Government strategy was to hide this from the lawsuit in the States.

That's where my problem is.

the question of can he transfer the money anywhere? Sure, but I'm sure that those funds are going to be watched by CSIS to see if they are transferred anywhere that they shouldn't be going.

But I doubt Khadr is going to do that, I'm taking his anti-radical statements on face value.

Part of the settlement included a public apology, yes the settlement was leaked prior to that happening, but I think when you consider that that was part of the deal it is inaccurate to state we would have never known about this.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Delgar

Even if by the letter of the law he gets compensation, he should have been taken to trial to get it.

Would have been one of the most important trials in Canadian history. The evidence that would come out would probably also very embarrassing for the government, but so be it. This needed to finished publicly not via a confidential closed door negotiation where the facts are hidden.

Consider how this looks to the soldiers of Canada. They die/get maimed and at most they get a meager pension or an honourable funeral. Think how this looks to the bad guys -- their combatant is now rich beyond his wildest dreams.

If they went through a trial, he probably would have received more money. Not to mention by the time it was done, there could have been a different party in power. So actually yeah, they probably should have passed the buck like the 3 previous PMs did.

[edslunch]

I understand that this is a legal issue and under the circumstances the settlement and apology is a valid response. Suing and exposing government dirty laundry may have been a worse option.
Regardless, I think Trudeau will wear this in a big way and it could haunt him in the next election.

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Yeah, it's an interesting angle. She's worked at the Globe for more than 30 years. It has always been (and has always been vilified as) the paper of record for the TO/Ottawa 'ruling class' and 'elite'.

When did it become such a no-nonsense voice for the common man? The Sun must be pissed at them horning in on their market.

ironically enough, it was probably a result of what pushed sales/subscriptions.

its definitely cynical... like a certain developer that crushed unions, screwed contractors, exploited every available tax loophole is now suddenly the Champion of Joe Lunch Bucket...And they are swallowing that BS whole!

For the ignorant, memory is pretty fleeting... for the corrupt, they take advantage of that ignorance and push divisive hot buttons instead of truly taking a measured response... sadly, most people don't even read anymore, much less look at things critically...

[Harry Lime]

I can actually kind of respect any politician who actually DOES something, instead of delaying. I may not really like trudeau that much, but I would love any PM that just rolled through issues like these like a bulldozer.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

I can actually kind of respect any politician who actually DOES something, instead of delaying. I may not really like trudeau that much, but I would love any PM that just rolled through issues like these like a bulldozer.

I like when politicians actually make tough decisions, as long as they are informed. But I think you should be careful what you wish for in terms of a PM just bulldozing through issues, ask an American why.