American Politics Thread: Orange is the new POTUS

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

Hopefully the civilized world lets the US have a mulligan on this willfull ignorance personified of a presidency.

Hopefully not. I mean really... all giving them a mulligan will do is tell them is that putting an incompetent huckster in change is fine. Seriously, they basically elected a toddler as President... that's not the type of mistake you should get a mulligan on, that ought to cost you at least a stroke.

[photon]

https://youtu.be/hMxTUhLp8qc?t=28

Rep. Tim Walberg (R-Mich.) on climate change - “I believe there’s climate change. I believe there’s been climate change since the beginning of time. I believe there are cycles. Do I think man has some impact? Yeah, of course. Can man change the entire universe? No. Why do I believe that? Well, as a Christian, I believe that there is a creator in God who is much bigger than us. And I’m confident that, if there’s a real problem, he can take care of it.”

So wait, there isn't free will now?

[Kybosh]

Originally Posted by photon

https://youtu.be/hMxTUhLp8qc?t=28

Rep. Tim Walberg (R-Mich.) on climate change - “I believe there’s climate change. I believe there’s been climate change since the beginning of time. I believe there are cycles. Do I think man has some impact? Yeah, of course. Can man change the entire universe? No. Why do I believe that? Well, as a Christian, I believe that there is a creator in God who is much bigger than us. And I’m confident that, if there’s a real problem, he can take care of it.”

So wait, there isn't free will now?

That is the biggest problem with religious doctrine dictating policy-making. It's almost always this pattern:

- reasonable statement #1
- reasonable statement #2
- reasonable statement #3
- unreasonable or unrelated conclusion because religion

I also really hate when people overuse the word "believe". You can believe in a God. Believing in evolution, gravity, climate change or any other scientifically supported theory is ridiculous. The mechanisms for these things are not based upon your belief system.

[Ozy_Flame]

Anything we can't understand must have been caused - and can be solved - by God.

Religion at it's finest.

[KevanGuy]

Ha ha wow. What could go wrong?!? Seems like a fool proof strategy. And moving from climate change to changing the entire universe is quite the leap! Can't argue with any of that logic.

[photon]

It's not even just the conclusion because of religion; we all make some conclusions based on less than rational chains of reasoning.

It's the fact that he straight-facedly has no problem thinking that what he believes should become exactly what he works for in government. THAT is a sign of stupidity.

And I refuse to give up the word believe, to believe is a psychological state in which an individual holds a proposition or premise to be true. So I believe the premise that climate is changing due to man's actions. But I understand what you mean.

[chemgear]

Originally Posted by Kybosh

That is the biggest problem with religious doctrine dictating policy-making. It's almost always this pattern:

- reasonable statement #1
- reasonable statement #2
- reasonable statement #3
- unreasonable or unrelated conclusion because religion

I also really hate when people overuse the word "believe". You can believe in a God. Believing in evolution, gravity, climate change or any other scientifically supported theory is ridiculous. The mechanisms for these things are not based upon your belief system.

"You all don't need any kind of healthcare. God will take care of it. Believe."

[MissTeeks]

Comey to testify publicly about Trump confrontations
http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/31/politi...ony/index.html

Fired FBI director James Comey plans to testify publicly in the Senate as early as next week to confirm bombshell accusations that President Donald Trump pressured him to end his investigation into a top Trump aide's ties to Russia, a source close to the issue said Wednesday.

Final details are still being worked out and no official date for his testimony has been set. Comey is expected to appear before the Senate Intelligence Committee, which is investigating possible connections between the Trump campaign and Russia during last year's presidential election.

Comey has spoken privately with Special Counsel Robert Mueller III to work out the parameters for his testimony to ensure there are no legal entanglements as a result of his public account, a source said. Comey will likely sit down with Mueller, a longtime colleague at the Justice Department, for a formal interview only after his public testimony.

[chemgear]

[FanIn80]

^^ Wow. I'm going out and buying some RC Cola on the way home tonight!

[getbak]

Originally Posted by chemgear

"You all don't need any kind of healthcare. God will take care of it. Believe."

Reminds me of this old story: http://epistle.us/inspiration/godwillsaveme.html

[ernie]

Originally Posted by photon

So wait, there isn't free will now?

Ding ding ding..You've hit on the real problem with most evangelicals in the states. They will mention free will but they don't really believe in it. Ultimately most of what they believe is divine plan controlled right down to the tiniest details right down to whether you get a job or not. And I kid you not on the last part. I can't tell you how many times I see things on facebook and other things that are something like "I hope God lets me get the job I just interviewed for!" or "i got fired from my job today. God must have better things in store for me to do that!"

It's sickening to me as it simply absolves people of any responsibility when they continually point to something being God's will.

Great mechanism to control the masses though. Especially when you intimately tie it into politics like the right side of the GOP does.

It constantly amazes me that many do not see this constant erosion of the separation of church and state. IT amazes me even more that the people that see it and don't care are the first to trumpet the constitution when any thing they think is against it happens.

[Fuzz]

“I have noticed that even those who assert that everything is predestined and that we can change nothing about it still look both ways before they cross the street”

― Stephen Hawking

[ernie]

On climate change...for goodness sake Tillerson believes something needs to be done and doesn't want to withdraw from the Paris accord. Utilities that run the power plants are moving to greener energies and technologies because they believe it. The general public wants reduction.

That should tell the GOP something. But nope.

It's all part of the plan. Erode all the regulations and step back into the 1950s. Along with that the DeVos education department will start scrubbing the science books so that the new generation can be taught "properly" rather than all this nonsense the current generation is being taught. Well maybe not that far but you damn well if they thought they could get away with it they would.

[Rhettzky]

nm

[calculoso]

Originally Posted by ernie

Ding ding ding..You've hit on the real problem with most evangelicals in the states. They will mention free will but they don't really believe in it. Ultimately most of what they believe is divine plan controlled right down to the tiniest details right down to whether you get a job or not. And I kid you not on the last part. I can't tell you how many times I see things on facebook and other things that are something like "I hope God lets me get the job I just interviewed for!" or "i got fired from my job today. God must have better things in store for me to do that!"

This isn't something that is unique to evangelicals in the states.

One of my coworkers often travels to the middle east, and hears them saying "inshallah" all the time. "Can you do this for me? Inshallah"

inshallah = If Allah wills it.
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/inshallah

[ah123]

Originally Posted by calculoso

This isn't something that is unique to evangelicals in the states.



One of my coworkers often travels to the middle east, and hears them saying "inshallah" all the time. "Can you do this for me? Inshallah"



inshallah = If Allah wills it.

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/inshallah

And a lot of people use Inshallah to mean "I want to say no, but I can't do it in your face"

[AltaGuy]

Originally Posted by calculoso

This isn't something that is unique to evangelicals in the states.

One of my coworkers often travels to the middle east, and hears them saying "inshallah" all the time. "Can you do this for me? Inshallah"

inshallah = If Allah wills it.
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/inshallah

Not really the best example - it's just a figure of speech in Arabic countries (notwithstanding that many are very religious). "God-willing" is like saying "hopefully" here.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by photon

So wait, there isn't free will now?

Well, no. There isn't really any room for anything but antecedent cause and following effect. Unless you're one of those "religious" sorts, that is.

[ernie]

Originally Posted by calculoso

This isn't something that is unique to evangelicals in the states.

Not saying it is but that is what is driving the right wing side of the GOP and much of GOP policy. They can't separate their personal beliefs from the job they need to do for the masses.

This is why Kasich both never stood a chance and was easily the best choice for America as the GOP nominee.