So I sort of checked out of this thread but I am intrigued as to how it transformed itself into a discussion of 19th century German history.
It was really weird, CliffFletcher appeared to have it in his head that he was taking this discussion here despite repeated pleas and assurances from FlashWalken that this was not what he was talking about at all.
I guess sometimes posters just have something they've wanted to talk about for awhile and when something comes even close to it, they're going all in and you're not stopping them.
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I guess sometimes posters just have something they've wanted to talk about for awhile and when something comes even close to it, they're going all in and you're not stopping them.
These threads are pretty boring to read sometimes.
Why post boring, immediately-relevant-to-the-event comments and articles when you can purposely divert the discussion to exciting, unexplored topics like the ottoman empire and nazi germany!
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I read something in passing that ariana grande is paying for the funerals of some/all of the victims.
it will be interesting to see if she ever gets on stage again, as it would be hard not to feel some level of "guilt" (if that is the right word) for what happened even though I am assuming it had nothing to do with her
While I was hoping she would continue the tour, I understand why she didn't. Easy for keyboard warriors to say the show must go on. But this was a traumatic experience for her. It's understandable she may not feel like bouncing around on stage singing cheerful pop songs.
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Why post boring, immediately-relevant-to-the-event comments and articles when you can purposely divert the discussion to exciting, unexplored topics like the ottoman empire and nazi germany!
The problem is that there really isn't much to say about these kind of events themselves.
Wow, that's terrible.
Just awful.
My heart goes out to the families.
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After a couple pages of that kind of non-discussion the thread is inevitably going to turn to causes, solutions, politics, history, etc.
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It's not a thread about Ariana damn Grande, but at the same time with pop music being such a marketing driven thing, without a doubt this is about her marketing team jumping in and saying she's devastated. Without a doubt she's extremely sad, but it's hard to have a playful concert when peoples expectations of you are such that you should be sad for at least 2 weeks (or a month). When I see articles saying she's in counseling and says an anonymous source close to her said it, it smells like a typical PR firm. It'd be nice if she'd just come out and say that it's sad and that she'd prefer to take a couple weeks off because she doesn't feel like performing happy songs. Plus this chic said something about not liking America during elections or something, which is ironic because she ran back there the second this happened.
I think your off on this one afc, the Kaiser had absolute power regardless of parliament and the later Wiemar Republic lead to Hitler. They had a parliament in the same way the Russians have a DUMA now. Democracy did not really get established until the post WWII period.
India is probably a good example of a post colonial democracy, they have been at it since 1948. Sure they have had a violent history but to great extent it has worked out. Its a functional state very much on the rise, this was accomplished without any real help from the great powers.
I wouldn't argue that the period between 1840 and 1919 in Europe (and the US) was in any way as democratic as we are now, but Prussia and then Germany when it was finally formed was about as democratic as any other European country in this period, in the UK the Queen was still the very real head of state and parliament trod lightly around her, in the US persons of colour were not allowed the vote at all until the reconstruction and even then effectively denied it until the 1960's in many places.
I think you all miss my point, I am not saying Germany was a modern democracy in the sense we know now, it was an emerging democracy like every European country then transitioning from monarchy to democracy after the age of revolution, it was quite far in advance of the UK in this respect, as such as a country it was going to be amenable to the reestablishment of democratic civil institutions after the war.
Iraq, Syria and most middle eastern countries have never known much in the way of effective democracy in their history, its not likely then they would be yearning for it now, what they want is strong leadership to wipe out the apostates in their midst.
It's not a thread about Ariana damn Grande, but at the same time with pop music being such a marketing driven thing, without a doubt this is about her marketing team jumping in and saying she's devastated. Without a doubt she's extremely sad, but it's hard to have a playful concert when peoples expectations of you are such that you should be sad for at least 2 weeks (or a month). When I see articles saying she's in counseling and says an anonymous source close to her said it, it smells like a typical PR firm. It'd be nice if she'd just come out and say that it's sad and that she'd prefer to take a couple weeks off because she doesn't feel like performing happy songs. Plus this chic said something about not liking America during elections or something, which is ironic because she ran back there the second this happened.
Um just doing some research she said something anti-american like I hate America while licking the toppings off of donuts 4 years ago when she was fricken 19.
Sure sounds like a serious thing to me.
I think your post is awfully cynical, none of us know what her reaction actually is, but if I had to guess, a 23 year old who by everything we've heard has been pretty caring of her fans, who actually does a lot of charitable work (You can look it up) is probably devastated and I think what she said on twitter after the event came across as sincere reaction.
How about we give her a break and don't make her out to be a modern day monstrous cruella De Ville because she's a celebrity that hasn't opened up her private life after what might have been a pretty devastating personal moment.
And thanks a lot for making me defend a pop star.
And now to really annoy you here's a video of her and Miley Cyrus doing a duet in support of a charity that works with homeless gay and LBGT teens.
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I think your post is awfully cynical, none of us know what her reaction actually is, but if I had to guess, a 23 year old who by everything we've heard has been pretty caring of her fans, who actually does a lot of charitable work (You can look it up) is probably devastated and I think what she said on twitter after the event came across as sincere reaction.
I have also heard that she has offered/will cover the funeral expenses for every death as a result of that explosion, as well.
It's not a thread about Ariana damn Grande, but at the same time with pop music being such a marketing driven thing, without a doubt this is about her marketing team jumping in and saying she's devastated. Without a doubt she's extremely sad, but it's hard to have a playful concert when peoples expectations of you are such that you should be sad for at least 2 weeks (or a month). When I see articles saying she's in counseling and says an anonymous source close to her said it, it smells like a typical PR firm. It'd be nice if she'd just come out and say that it's sad and that she'd prefer to take a couple weeks off because she doesn't feel like performing happy songs. Plus this chic said something about not liking America during elections or something, which is ironic because she ran back there the second this happened.
Wow, if this is what the Ariana Grande discussion has devolved to, let's get back to Ottoman/German history. Much more interesting and factual.
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"Let it not be said that Muslims didn’t cooperate with the authorities to report Abedi. Abedi flew a black Jihadi flag out of his window in Manchester. He was banned from his mosque. His Imam reported him. His family reported him. His friends reported him. He wasn’t a lone wolf – he was a known wolf.
But MI5 didn’t stop him. Not because they didn’t want to: because they are being run on a shoestring, while Whitehall spends taxpayers’ money on propping up friends in Libya. "
In other words, the British Muslim community did everything humanly possible to warn authorities about Abedi, but it was British intelligence that dropped the ball.
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Abedi flew a black Jihadi flag out of his window in Manchester.
Is there not a law against such stupidity? If there isn't there need to be as this crazy stuff isn't freedom of speech.
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He was banned from his mosque. His Imam reported him. His family reported him. His friends reported him. He wasn’t a lone wolf – he was a known wolf.
Reporting a British citizen for radical behavior will only get a look under the law, how about his Iman stand up and denounce such rubbish as paradise and those 72 virgins promised are really 72 raisins? and again, they're rubbish as well.
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Is there not a law against such stupidity? If there isn't there need to be as this crazy stuff isn't freedom of speech.
Reporting a British citizen for radical behavior will only get a look under the law, how about his Iman stand up and denounce such rubbish as paradise and those 72 virgins promised are really 72 raisins? and again, they're rubbish as well.
I really think they did all they could to inform the British about the wayward individual.
