2016/2017 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[savemedrzaius]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Sakic has already said Varlamov will be protected

Really? Didn't know that.

Sakic really is one of the worst GMs in the league. Why protect Varlamov? The Avs should be going for a full rebuild.

[Love]

Originally Posted by savemedrzaius

Aren't these guys all pretty unproven? You want to sign them as your new starter?

Yup. Raanta preferably. Let the vet Chad Johnson back him up.

I've seen Rags fans giving Raanta high praise on HF, and I don't think he'd cost more than a '18 2nd + late round pick or prospect.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

If they trade away a goalie for peanuts they also lose a roster player to expansion.

So then they are losing two players for basically nothing.

I would think they won't trade a goalie unless someone really makes it worth it.

Losing a goalie in expansion hurts less than a player IMO.

So how does that work? If they don't trade MAF they either have to get him to waive for expansion which is absolutely ludicrous, why would he not take the extra cash on the buyout and why would he want to go to a bottom feeder for the next two years? The only people thinking Fleury will end up in LV are Penguin fans, I have yet to hear a credible source imply that is the case. It makes zero sense for MAF to do the Penguins a huge favour by leaving money on the table for an organization that after giving him a NMC is now pushing him out the door. So if Fleury does not waive then they have to bribe LV not to take Murray. Exactly what does Pitts have to entice LV not to select a young stud goalie? Nothing. MAF will either be traded or bought out or the Pens will keep him and deal Murray. I cannot see any way MAF waived for LV, he would have to be a complete idiot to do so.

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[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by savemedrzaius

Really? Didn't know that.

Sakic really is one of the worst GMs in the league. Why protect Varlamov? The Avs should be going for a full rebuild.

Varly is a good goalie when he's not busy being injured. He propped up an absolutely horrific Avs team and won the Vezina doing so.

What's going on around here? Are people are just looking at Pickard and seeing he's young and that he played a lot of games and assuming he's good? There is absolutely nothing standout about Pickard.

Out of goalies that played 800+ minutes last year (56 goalies), Pickard ranked 51st in 5v5 save percentage.

This love fest for Pickard is nothing but blind ageism. I watched a good number of Avs games this year (...excruciating waste of time, but I was watching Iggy), and there's just nothing there. Pickard isn't a top flight young goalie.

Originally Posted by Icon

They're saying he's Vegas bound because that's what will happen if the Pens don't trade him before the expansion draft.

There have been a number of people talking about Vegas having their eyes set on him and that there's even a "trade in a drawer waiting to come out" that would send Fleury to Vegas pre-expansion.

@andystrickland
Talk won't stop of #Vegas and the #Pens having a deal in the drawer to trade Marc-Andre Fleury to #Goldenknights after playoffs #NHL

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by MacDaddy77

I honestly don't see a goalie like Saros as an upgrade on Gillies, Rittich or Parsons for that matter.

Saros - AHL 38 GP 2.24 GAA 0.920 Pct
- NHL 21 GP 2.35 GAA 0.923 Pct
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p...php?pid=161740

Gillies - AHL 49 GP - 2.6 GAA 0.915 Pct
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p...php?pid=130895

Rittich - AHL 31 GP 2.27 GAA 0.924 pct


one of the only young goalies with the experiance to be a starter in my opinion is Pickard from Avalanche.

Pickard - NHL 86 GP 2.6 GAA 0.915 Pct
- AHL 140 GP 2.5 GAA 0.910 Pct

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p...php?pid=110237

why give up assets for a young goalie that's comparable to what we already have

Your Saros AHL stats are missing this year's AHL performance:
15 GP, 1.86 GAA, .934 save pct

And I love Parsons but I'd trade him and more to get Saros. Saros is basically what you hope happens with Parsons over the next two years, but Saros has already gone through that development.

[neo45]

Varlamov never won the Vezina

Also Sakic saying they are protecting him could just be posturing to try and get some trade value for him.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by neo45

Varlamov never won the Vezina

Also Sakic saying they are protecting him could just be posturing to try and get some trade value for him.

My bad. I could've sworn he won it in 13/14.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

There have been a number of people talking about Vegas having their eyes set on him and that there's even a "trade in a drawer waiting to come out" that would send Fleury to Vegas pre-expansion.

Normally, Andy Strickland is considered to have impeccable sources, but why would Vegas give up an asset (a draft pick, since they really don't have any other assets at this point), when they stand a good shot at nabbing reasonably decent goaltending via the expansion draft?

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

Normally, Andy Strickland is considered to have impeccable sources, but why would Vegas give up an asset (a draft pick, since they really don't have any other assets at this point), when they stand a good shot at nabbing reasonably decent goaltending via the expansion draft?

Strickland is usually a good source, but I don't recall him breaking much that doesn't involve St. Louis

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

Normally, Andy Strickland is considered to have impeccable sources, but why would Vegas give up an asset (a draft pick, since they really don't have any other assets at this point), when they stand a good shot at nabbing reasonably decent goaltending via the expansion draft?

Who knows. I think there's a lot of stuff regarding the expansion and the trade activity that will lead up to it that is going to surprise us. I'm expecting Vegas to do some pretty creative stuff.

[indes]

Wouldn't it be better for Vegas to let the pens buy Fleury out and then sign him as a free agent? They've got Pittsburgh by the balls regarding their goalies

I believe.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by indes

Wouldn't it be better for Vegas to let the pens buy Fleury out and then sign him as a free agent? They've got Pittsburgh by the balls regarding their goalies

I believe.

Vegas doesn't have Pittsburgh by the balls;, MAF does.

[MarkGio]

If I'm Vegas, there's not a thing in this world that stops me from taking Murray.

Other than Murray, I can't think of a single player in the draft that you can build a team around. Maybe they land Silverberg, Brodin or C. Smith, but none are those guys are marquee like Murray. Even with their draft pick, there's no guarantee they get a stud.

It's not just playing talent either. Murray has a huge trade value in the open market, which is different than his trade value for protection. I would be willing to bet the Flames offer more to acquire Murray from Vegas than Penguins are willing to offer Vegas to protect him.

[Love]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

If I'm Vegas, there's not a thing in this world that stops me from taking Murray.

Other than Murray, I can't think of a single player in the draft that you can build a team around. Maybe they land Silverberg, Brodin or C. Smith, but none are those guys are marquee like Murray. Even with their draft pick, there's no guarantee they get a stud.

It's not just playing talent either. Murray has a huge trade value in the open market, which is different than his trade value for protection. I would be willing to bet the Flames offer more to acquire Murray from Vegas than Penguins are willing to offer Vegas to protect him.

Pittsburgh buys Fleury out if need be. They is no chance they lose Murray.

[JTech780]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Yeah, I'd never watch the Flames again!

Sure that team would be fun to watch, but it isn't a team built to win the Cup and isn't that the goal? Any time you have a winger eating up $10m in cap space you are building your team wrong.

Ovechkin might be one of the best goal scorers ever, but he isn't a winner. He has never made it past the 2nd round in 9 tries and with the teams Washington has had. If we want a Cup Ovechkin isn't the player I would add.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by JTech780

Sure that team would be fun to watch, but it isn't a team built to win the Cup and isn't that the goal? Any time you have a winger eating up $10m in cap space you are building your team wrong.

Ovechkin might be one of the best goal scorers ever, but he isn't a winner. He has never made it past the 2nd round in 9 tries and with the teams Washington has had. If we want a Cup Ovechkin isn't the player I would add.

People always point to Crosby as a guy that can get his team to the Cup while Ovechkin can't. It seems a little simplistic as hockey is such a team game. I always offer this one "what if" - What if the Caps had drafted Ovechkin and Malkin and Pittsburgh had Crosby, do the Caps win a cup?

I figure they would have, if not gone to the finals a couple times and Ovechkin wouldn't be known as a guy that can't get his team into the finals.

Crosby's always been known as a franchise centre that can singlehandedly carry a team while playing on a team with essentially two franchise centres.

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

If I'm Vegas, there's not a thing in this world that stops me from taking Murray.

Him not being exposed will stop them.

They'll trade Fleury to us or another team for peanuts, if need be, to protect Murray. He has to provide a list of 18 teams, IIRC.

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by JTech780

Sure that team would be fun to watch, but it isn't a team built to win the Cup and isn't that the goal? Any time you have a winger eating up $10m in cap space you are building your team wrong.

Ovechkin might be one of the best goal scorers ever, but he isn't a winner. He has never made it past the 2nd round in 9 tries and with the teams Washington has had. If we want a Cup Ovechkin isn't the player I would add.

I think you are taking a narrative and skewing it to fit an argument.

$10mil on a winger is not absurd and it doesn't stop a team from winning a cup.
See Patrick Kane or Corey Perry (albeit only $8.6mm caphit, still pretty steep)

The knock on OV is he's not the guy to elevate his game in important situations to carry a team to a championship. That's the way the Caps are built.

But.. to be the guy that can create space for Johnny so he can be the guy that stirs the drink, then you have a serious top line that CAN win a cup.

It's all pipe dreams as we don't have the assets to acquire Price and OV, but no one can say that the Flames don't instantly become a favourite to win the west if not the cup.

[IrishSpring2013]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

I think you are taking a narrative and skewing it to fit an argument.

$10mil on a winger is not absurd and it doesn't stop a team from winning a cup.
See Patrick Kane or Corey Perry (albeit only $8.6mm caphit, still pretty steep)
.

not saying Ur wrong but those examples aren't proof. Kane's 10 million deal started last year, after they won the cup and the Ducks won when Perry was still on his elc