American Politics Thread: Orange is the new POTUS

[photon]

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau says President Donald Trump was thinking about pulling out of the North American Free Trade Agreement before the duo spoke by phone on Wednesday evening.

But Trudeau is telling reporters in Saskatchewan he reminded Trump they both were elected on a similar platform of helping people find and keep jobs.

The prime minister says he pointed out that a lot of jobs and industries were developed under NAFTA — if the deal were cancelled, it would create too much disruption.

Trudeau says that the two agreed instead they could sit down and work on ways to make the deal better, a renegotiation process similar to what's been done in the past.

http://www.metronews.ca/news/canada/...ad-a-chat.html

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by photon

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau says President Donald Trump was thinking about pulling out of the North American Free Trade Agreement before the duo spoke by phone on Wednesday evening.

But Trudeau is telling reporters in Saskatchewan he reminded Trump they both were elected on a similar platform of helping people find and keep jobs.

The prime minister says he pointed out that a lot of jobs and industries were developed under NAFTA — if the deal were cancelled, it would create too much disruption.

Trudeau says that the two agreed instead they could sit down and work on ways to make the deal better, a renegotiation process similar to what's been done in the past.

http://www.metronews.ca/news/canada/...ad-a-chat.html

He's so out of his depth. Just not ready.

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by photon

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau says President Donald Trump was thinking about pulling out of the North American Free Trade Agreement before the duo spoke by phone on Wednesday evening.

But Trudeau is telling reporters in Saskatchewan he reminded Trump they both were elected on a similar platform of helping people find and keep jobs.

The prime minister says he pointed out that a lot of jobs and industries were developed under NAFTA — if the deal were cancelled, it would create too much disruption.

Trudeau says that the two agreed instead they could sit down and work on ways to make the deal better, a renegotiation process similar to what's been done in the past.

Thank god Peter isn't a senior advisor to JT, or he would've surrendered, before their chat.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by rubecube

He's so out of his depth. Just not ready.

No, I think his response over the last 2 days has been quite measured and mature.

See, I am reasonable, not snarky.

[Zevo]

Originally Posted by peter12

No, I think his response over the last 2 days has been quite measured and mature.

See, I am reasonable, not snarky.

You typed 'I was wrong' wrong.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Zevo

You typed 'I was wrong' wrong.

Maybe contribute something to this thread other than sarcastic snark?

I still stand by my criticisms of his stance on supply management and defense spending in relation to American expectations.

[Burninator]

Originally Posted by rubecube

He's so out of his depth. Just not ready.

That hair though. But actually the hair. It doesn't project international statesman like the strong part of a JFK. Or the reassuring wavy fro of a Kissinger. Or the 'I run this continent' dome of a Bismarck or Churchill.

[ResAlien]

Originally Posted by peter12

Why? Because he bro'd down on his handshake with Trump?

We have made a mess of US/Canada relations for years. They don't respect us, and any time they want to score populist points, we come in as target #2 after Mexico.

Originally Posted by peter12

Maybe contribute something to this thread other than sarcastic snark?

I still stand by my criticisms of his stance on supply management and defense spending in relation to American expectations.

Very well, what has Trudeau done in the past 48 hours to change your opinion that the US "doesn't respect Canada" and could you please point to a few examples of politics in the US using Canada to score "populist points"?

Or have you not changed your stance on either of these points and if not could you support those stances a with maybe some concrete examples? Thank you.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

I mean, this whole week has been a pretty obvious example of the White House using Canada to score populist points.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

Very well, what has Trudeau done in the past 48 hours to change your opinion that the US "doesn't respect Canada" and could you please point to a few examples of politics in the US using Canada to score "populist points"?

Or have you not changed your stance on either of these points and if not could you support those stances a with maybe some concrete examples? Thank you.

Not sure how you managed to lump all this in together based on my single post where I said JT's response over the last couple days has been measured and mature. But we know that you like to chase after me in whatever thread.

I think that whatever was said on that initall call with Trump, and then subsequent follow-ups probably involved a lot of Canadian/Mexican cooperation, and a reasonable case that POTUS is treading water in a very deep pool.

As for the above examples, some easy reading for you:

- Look up Diefenbaker's behavioru during the Cuban Missile Crisis.
- Anything PET did.
- Chretien and Iraq.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

I mean, this whole week has been a pretty obvious example of the White House using Canada to score populist points.

I didn't want to say it, but the ResAlien has other motives, I think.

[ResAlien]

Originally Posted by peter12

I didn't want to say it, but the ResAlien has other motives, I think.

Why sir, I take umbrage. I assure you my motives are as pure as yours.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Hey, he gave you what you asked for, a post with no snark or sarcasm. EDIT: well, so much for that.

[Zevo]

Originally Posted by peter12

This.

Trudeau is so out of his depth here, and Trump is just taking advantage to score cheap political points at home.

Originally Posted by peter12

Why? Because he bro'd down on his handshake with Trump?

We have made a mess of US/Canada relations for years. They don't respect us, and any time they want to score populist points, we come in as target #2 after Mexico.

Originally Posted by peter12

Very silly.

We should start acting like the junior partner in this relationship, and come up with some accommodations pretty quickly. Stop acting like sovereignty means thumbing our collective noses at the Americans.

Originally Posted by peter12

What is with this drive-by attack? Please explain yourself, or make a contribution to the thread.

Originally Posted by peter12

Maybe contribute something to this thread other than sarcastic snark?

I still stand by my criticisms of his stance on supply management and defense spending in relation to American expectations.

Mostly I contribute by not contributing on things I know nothing about. You should try it sometimes, or in the very least admit when you are wrong. It may help some of us take you more seriously.

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

I mean, this whole week has been a pretty obvious example of the White House using Canada to score populist points.

aside from his outburst after the Fox piece and the threats afterwards, what else have I missed?

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Zevo

Mostly I contribute by not contributing on things I know nothing about. You should try it sometimes, or in the very least admit when you are wrong. It may help some of us take you more seriously.

Look, Zevo. I have made a few decent posts in this thread providing some pretty decent examples, and commentary on some of the subjects that I contested with other members.

I noticed that you selectively didn't include those posts. So now who is being dishonest? As for admitting I was wrong about a certain situation, I just did several posts ago. Take yourself a little bit more seriously.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by peter12

Not sure how you managed to lump all this in together based on my single post where I said JT's response over the last couple days has been measured and mature. But we know that you like to chase after me in whatever thread.

I think that whatever was said on that initall call with Trump, and then subsequent follow-ups probably involved a lot of Canadian/Mexican cooperation, and a reasonable case that POTUS is treading water in a very deep pool.

As for the above examples, some easy reading for you:

- Look up Diefenbaker's behavioru during the Cuban Missile Crisis.
- Anything PET did.
- Chretien and Iraq.

So, you really can't name anything so you toss our periods of time, without appropriate context, and ask that the person who called you out on your own comments to find the answers for you. Man, you play a slippery game.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Peter- Any clarification why they are more productive? I'm going to guess that some of it has to do with the use of hormones that are banned in Canada. Personally I'd rather keep US product out of Canada for that reason alone.

As for costs, we have higher input costs like fuel taxes. We also probably have fewer illegals working for pennies on our farms. Crazy that living in a civilized country has higher costs for products to protect it's citizens, right? Sometimes the cheapest price for the consumer shouldn't be the number one priority.

Nah, that report was pretty clear that consolidation of dairy farms into units with over 1000+ cows provides some pretty clear scaling advantages.

Also, with the lower debt load per cow, farmers in the US can invest in technology - like milking machines - that increase their productivity advvantage even more.

If hormones are a concern, then ban any American milk that doesn't meet our standard. We can still open the market up.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by New Era

So, you really can't name anything so you toss our periods of time, without appropriate context, and ask that the person who called you out on your own comments to find the answers for you. Man, you play a slippery game.

Not sure what your point is?

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by rubecube

He's so out of his depth. Just not ready.

I think its actually better to wait until we see the results of this thing. A report by the Prime Minister where he basically says "I totally reminded him of the facts and we're going to sit down" to me is like hearsay in court.

For all we know he blubbered and begged Trump not to hurt him.

Its way too early in what is a possible trade crisis to say Mission accomplished.