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Old 04-21-2017, 03:58 PM   #101
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Gulutzen looks like a new born potato opening its eyes for the first time.
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Old 04-21-2017, 04:00 PM   #102
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In what universe did Gaudreau's line 'win their matchup?'

They got beat like rented mules.
In scoring chances and possession they were quite dominant.

Sadly doesn't matter if they don't score though.
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In what universe did Gaudreau's line 'win their matchup?'

They got beat like rented mules.
60% corsi
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I can't really blame them for Elliott turning into a potato.
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Old 04-21-2017, 04:01 PM   #104
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They did hint at goaltending at one point. Something to the effect of "You need quality goaltending to be successful".
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Old 04-21-2017, 04:01 PM   #105
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Same old same old. Nothing exciting nothing revealing. Oh well what do you expect anyway ;p
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Old 04-21-2017, 04:02 PM   #106
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Whats with all the potato references?
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Old 04-21-2017, 04:04 PM   #107
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They got beat like rented mules.


They really didn't. They, much like most of the team, were better than the Ducks. It's painfully obvious just how badly the goaltending lost us that series.
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Old 04-21-2017, 04:05 PM   #108
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At least it doesn't sound like they're contemplating any potentially franchise-destroying changes.

They're happy enough with the core and I'd say they seem to expect that if the team puts in the work that they can go deeper next year. Expectations next year will be higher.

My main takeaway is that the organization thinks that the sucking part of the rebuild is over and they will try to contend with the core they have now and build long term success around them.
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Old 04-21-2017, 04:08 PM   #109
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I love when BT says that the biggest growth/improvement has to come internally. Sounds like they hammer that home to the core all the time too.

Sure they need to plug some holes, certain ones bigger than the others, but most of the core of this team is already in place and as long as Monahan/Backlund/Bennett/Gaudreau/Tkachuk/Brodie/Giordano/Hamilton continue to improve and get better this team is going to be a force for several years here.
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Old 04-21-2017, 04:08 PM   #110
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They did hint at goaltending at one point. Something to the effect of "You need quality goaltending to be successful".
He was more general.

Paraphrasing, he said there were some shots they could have scored on and some saves they felt they should have had.

He also stated that the goaltending was a big reason that they got to the playoffs and that Elliott was the first to admit that he had to be better in the playoffs.
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Old 04-21-2017, 04:13 PM   #111
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In what universe did Gaudreau's line 'win their matchup?'

They got beat like rented mules.
I actually really like that line's performance. I was pleasantly surprised since I thought the Kesler line was going to dominate them. I also thought they were the most dangerous line we had and felt like if a goal was to be scored, it was going to be from them. I think for such a young line, they played admirablly and hopefully they grow even more next year and become a truly elite line.
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60% corsi
60% expected goals
70% Scoring chances

91 PDO

I can't really blame them for Elliott turning into a potato.
thanks for this...

i thought that line did pretty decently during the series, but with all the posters saying the contrary on the GDTs, i wasn't sure if i was missing something that they were seeing...

just no finish except on the pp i guess....

3rd season for BT, second playoff appearance; 1st year for GG and a 17point improvement and a playoff appearance...

I see no reason to blow up anything as this stage...
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60% corsi
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I can't really blame them for Elliott turning into a potato.
That's true re Elliott.
But it did not help that their 5 v 5 shooting % was 0 (that's zero).
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Can someone do a recap at some point? I tried the link but it's just player interviews.
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Old 04-21-2017, 04:36 PM   #115
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I'm probably in the minority here, but the more I think about it, the more I wouldn't mind Elliott back on a cheap(really cheap) short term deal. I just don't like the idea of continually using the goalie as a scape goat. I just worry that like always blaming the coach it will take accountability away from the other players. Elliott crapped the bed in the playoffs, but other than in game 3(in which 2 of the goals shouldn't have counted) he never cost his team the games all together. Game 4 he let in 1 goal and we scored 1 goal, you aren't going to win a lot of games only scoring 1 goal.

In a salary cap world you will always have areas that are weaker than others and it might be good for the young players to realize they will need to overcome these situations in order to win. We are still a year or 2 away from being Stanley cup contenders so a short contract for a guy with something to prove without the pressure of it being a contract year on a team learning a new system with a new coach might not be a bad option. It would give us time to let our goalies in the system develop too, so that we don't need to pay $6M/season to a goalie who might not fit in either. I really don't like the idea of simply writing off a goalie after 1 season in which he wasn't terrible(and actually got us to the playoffs).

The start of the season sucked, but remember all the odd man rushes and breakaways we were gifting other teams at that time? The whole team was a mess. I don't think Carey Price would have been able to bail us out in those situations. If they change the goalie coach I'd be ok if they gamble in the short term. I hate the thought of us signing bishop to a 5 or 6 year deal only to have gillies emerge in 2 seasons as the better option with no way of moving bishop if his play falls off a little bit.
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Treliving talking about Gaudreau on radio. I always felt that on the PP Johnny is better on the right side. During the World Cup he was dynamite there. Glulutzan had him on the left side on PP and it seemed he didn't create as much.

But they did score at a good clip during playoffs, so what do I know.
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Treliving talking about Gaudreau on radio. I always felt that on the PP Johnny is better on the right side. During the World Cup he was dynamite there. Glulutzan had him on the left side on PP and it seemed he didn't create as much.
All this time, I never even thought about moving Johnny to RW full-time.

I know you're just talking about the PP, but I wonder what [Tkachuk] [Monahan] [Gaudreau] would look like 5v5?

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I'm probably in the minority here, but the more I think about it, the more I wouldn't mind Elliott back on a cheap(really cheap) short term deal. I just don't like the idea of continually using the goalie as a scape goat. I just worry that like always blaming the coach it will take accountability away from the other players. Elliott crapped the bed in the playoffs, but other than in game 3(in which 2 of the goals shouldn't have counted) he never cost his team the games all together. Game 4 he let in 1 goal and we scored 1 goal, you aren't going to win a lot of games only scoring 1 goal.
I also wouldn't mind this, because it tells the team that they're not blaming the season on goaltending. Getting a whole new set of tenders will subconsciously make the players and coach believe that the season's failure (relative of course) wasn't on them. Elliott certainly didn't help things but 2 even strength goals in 4 games is just not good enough, and I really hope the players and coaching staff realize that.
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It's a different story if Elliott was great all season and fell apart in 2 playoff games.

He had an inconsistent season, looking awful and great and the playoff performance suggests you can't count on him. For instance Flames can't have yet another horrible start next year. I'm not sure this team could handle the associated pressure given expectations will be higher.
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I think if it wasn't for that extra 3rd, I might be alright giving Elliott another shot. But like Strange Brew said, it'd be a different story if he was consistent and then had a few bad moments in the playoffs. Sadly that wasn't the case, each goalie had an amazing streak each then were below average the rest of the year.

Now how much of that depended on the hole in the #4 dman spot for the first half of the season remains to be seen, but still, I don't think you chance bringing either back
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