[News] New Arena - Plan B - Victoria Park

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by Par

I have, I got this data from European countries.

I get it, this is all an April Fools joke! You sure got us.

[Roughneck]

Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

But when it comes to projects that will enhance the city and project strength and greatness Nenshi turns around and looks after tax payer.

Display strength and greatness?

Why not just do it the old fashioned way?

[Par]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Par - who are you and what are you doing here.

I am a Canadian and a Calgarian that has lived whole life in Calgary(my parents have lived here way before that), what I am doing is just saying that don't giv free money to people who don't deserve it.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

So we should help the Flames millionaire/billionaire owners instead of people in need? STFU Par. Who deserves our help more?

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by Southside

Unfortunately we have a mayor with a mouth that knows no season.

That's like saying it's OK to respond to a post by par.

Internet 101: Don't Feed The Trolls

[PeteMoss]

The city has said no (well essentially) to CalgaryNext and asked them to consider the other location. That's not a statement that you aren't getting anything. I think they will work with them on an arena.

King keeps going on about the arena and funding because they know its the only thing that can get enough people riled up, when this whole dispute is really about the Flames ownership trying to bundle the arena to get a place for the Stamps to play.

City should just come up and say - we'll work with you on an arena. The fieldhouse and Stamps home is off the table and needs to be negotiated separatly.

[CampbellsTransgressions]

Hah it's hilarious how many of the vitriol spewing right wingers on this forum are the first ones to want to hand out tax dollars for billionaire toys.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by Par

I am a Canadian and a Calgarian that has lived whole life in Calgary(my parents have lived here way before that), what I am doing is just saying that don't giv free money to people who don't deserve it.

Did you miss the part where you were supposed to go to school? Honestly, your grammar and punctuation are awful for a Canadian born person.


I've met refugees with a better grasp of the English language.

[Par]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

No, you're repeating nearly verbatim the talking points of Trump cultists. And not even providing any evidence to back up your ridiculous assertions. We get it, you hate refugees and foreigner and love corporate welfare.

No I don't hate any of those because I am one, and I don't love corporate welfare. All I am saying is that spend the money on people who deserve it(the taxpayers.)

Let's just leave this and talk about the playoffs, I don't think the Flames will leave they will get something done.

[Darkknight]

Anyone using using Gillette Stadium as a comparable for private funding is about as far off as people using the blue ring to justify public money. The pats make around 210m operating profit every year, the stadium cost 325 mil to build. The Flames make approx 18 mil every year operating profit, it would cost approx 350 mil to make an high end hockey arena as proposed in CalgaryNext. The Pats could build a new stadium every two years and still be profitable. It would take the Flames almost 20 years to fund their own arena, the NFL and the NHL are 2 different beasts and should be treated as such.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by DiracSpike

People keep talking about which markets in NA are better than Calgary, and even with our old building I'll grant you that the list is pretty short. What no one seems to be talking about though is the owners could easily just sell the team to someone else determined to bring a team to their city. The Flames have appreciated in value spectacularly since most of these guys bought in, I could totally see them willing to cut bait with the constant headache of owning a barely profitable business and drink in that sweet sweet capital gains. Most team relocations in professional sports these days are the result of one ownership group selling to another.

So all of you hardliners, stop acting like relocation fees and less interest in big American markets than in Calgary is a fail safe for this team never moving. Couple more years of having to negotiate with nenshi with hundreds of millions of profits staring me in the face I'd be down to sell, bet these guys will too.

If they sell to an owner who wants to move you must remember the new owner would have to pay a relocation fee. So right there you can take at least $100 million off the sale price because that has to go to the relocation fee. Nevermind the fact that if they indicate they will bail without an arena, they basically lose all their leverage in any potential sale since everyone knows they're desperate to unload. It's a piss poor approach to negotiating that will ultimately ensure they sell the team for less, possibly even significantly less, than they could if they were smarter about this. They have handled this situation even worse than Edmonton did, which is kind of something Ken King said wouldn't happen. Then again given King's track record, when he says something is going to happen, it usually doesn't.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

I'm starting to think that Ken's smartitude isn't quite so high.The PR for this whole thing has been just brutal. Not only the amateur hour original presentation, but everything since. I don't know if that's all on him, but he's the pointman for this thing, so it sure looks like it.

He's a terrible spokesperson. No doubt he's very good at glad-handing with the big dogs in corporate Calgary. But he's comically out of touch with average Calgarians. That interview on 960 was the most patronizing and cringeworthy performance I've heard in a long time.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by DiracSpike

People keep talking about which markets in NA are better than Calgary, and even with our old building I'll grant you that the list is pretty short. What no one seems to be talking about though is the owners could easily just sell the team to someone else determined to bring a team to their city. The Flames have appreciated in value spectacularly since most of these guys bought in, I could totally see them willing to cut bait with the constant headache of owning a barely profitable business and drink in that sweet sweet capital gains. Most team relocations in professional sports these days are the result of one ownership group selling to another.

So all of you hardliners, stop acting like relocation fees and less interest in big American markets than in Calgary is a fail safe for this team never moving. Couple more years of having to negotiate with nenshi with hundreds of millions of profits staring me in the face I'd be down to sell, bet these guys will too.

Let's say I want to buy a team to move it to my city. My options to buy are:
1) Calgary
2) Arizona
3) Florida

According to Forbes, the Flames are more than twice as valuable as those two. So why would you buy Calgary?

[Manhattanboy]

There needs to be some out of the box thinking. Get creative on the finance structure.

Maybe some sort of bond issue that carries with it a slight property tax discount or other kicker to investors. That is allow individual Calgarians to invest with principal protection and a slight return. Something different than a seat license fee.

I would invest.

[Darkknight]

Originally Posted by CampbellsTransgressions

Yep apparently we should build an arena so that 9 year old cancer patients get to see the Flames. Absolute scum tactics by King but it's really not a surprise at this point.

Out of thanks but wanted to point this out, the Flames do wonderful things for our community, and while they are a for profit enterprise they City would be far worse without them.

[calgaryred]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Seattle has a long running WHL team that averages close to 5k attendance which is not bad for junior hockey in a US city. The Seahawks are the big draw but when they hit the skids that will change and like most US cities the team that is winning is the most popular team. I think a Seattle team would do fine given close proximity to Vancouver and the California teams and the rivalry possibilities. If successful it may also open the door for Portland. It's the best untapped US market so there's no way the NHL stands in the way of a team relocating there. The city took to the Sounders so I don't see why they wouldn't take to a good NHL team.

Still the way Calgarians feel about losing the Flames is how many Seattle fans feel about the Sonics. I believe they were Seattle's first pro team. Bringing them back would overshadow any NHL team since both seasons are pretty much at the same time. A NHL team I can't see would ever be king of the hill there. They may sellout games during the playoffs but I could easily see empty seats a lot during the regular season.

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[nik-]

Originally Posted by CampbellsTransgressions

Hah it's hilarious how many of the vitriol spewing right wingers on this forum are the first ones to want to hand out tax dollars for billionaire toys.

It really is.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by CampbellsTransgressions

Hah it's hilarious how many of the vitriol spewing right wingers on this forum are the first ones to want to hand out tax dollars for billionaire toys.

That's very standard down south. It's fascinating how a whole segment of their population has been duped into supporting the elites to their own detriment because they're "screwing over" those damn liberals.

[Manhattanboy]

The Flames are not going anywhere. Every other city in the NHL has built a new arena. So will we.

[monkeyman]

Originally Posted by DiracSpike

People keep talking about which markets in NA are better than Calgary, and even with our old building I'll grant you that the list is pretty short. What no one seems to be talking about though is the owners could easily just sell the team to someone else determined to bring a team to their city. The Flames have appreciated in value spectacularly since most of these guys bought in, I could totally see them willing to cut bait with the constant headache of owning a barely profitable business and drink in that sweet sweet capital gains. Most team relocations in professional sports these days are the result of one ownership group selling to another.

So all of you hardliners, stop acting like relocation fees and less interest in big American markets than in Calgary is a fail safe for this team never moving. Couple more years of having to negotiate with nenshi with hundreds of millions of profits staring me in the face I'd be down to sell, bet these guys will too.

The value of the Calgary Flames is tied to the Calgary market. There are no new owners lining up to purchase a team in a thriving market to move them to a ####tier market. There are cheaper, smarter options if you wanted an NHL team.