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04-01-2017, 10:36 AM
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#1001
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Norm!
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Originally Posted by Young_Guns
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Grow up
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04-01-2017, 10:36 AM
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#1002
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Lifetime Suspension
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It's obvious Ken King isn't the man to lead this project. This arena deal has been bubbling for what ten years now? Should have stepped down when the loud thud bellowed out as CalgaryNext hit the floor almost two years ago.
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04-01-2017, 10:37 AM
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#1003
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First round-bust
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: speculating about AHL players
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I hope that this announcement is as serious as CalgaryNext was.
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04-01-2017, 10:38 AM
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#1004
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Franchise Player
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The Flames could be playing in a new building, right now, today, if that's what the owners wanted.
The 10 year wait since they first floated the idea, the painful theatre of King's bluster, and the endless squabbling between the team and city hall are happening for one reason and one reason only. Because billionaires want to save themselves some money. They'd rather the infrastructure for their private business cost them 1 per cent of their net worth rather than 1.5 per cent. That's all this is about.
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If this day gets you riled up, you obviously aren't numb to the disappointment yet to be a real fan.
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04-01-2017, 10:40 AM
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#1005
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Basement Chicken Choker
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: In a land without pants, or war, or want. But mostly we care about the pants.
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The Flames sat around almost a decade "planning" a new arena, then came up with a ludicrous, amateur proposal like some kind of third rate organization from Edmonton. Now that this proposal is rejected, it's time for threats - amateur hour threats, of course, as is the reigning style.
Are the Flames going to forfeit that sweet sweet Rogers TV money to move to America? When does that deal run out, 2026? What was it, 5 billion over 12 years over 7 teams, or around 60 million per team per year? Yeah, they are going to move to Seattle to sell a dozen more suites at a million a pop and get the next Beyonce tour. That sounds like good business. Go for it.
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04-01-2017, 10:41 AM
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#1006
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: the middle
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Originally Posted by MacFlame
2.) Having said that....Why such a hefty price tag? Google tells me that a new arena in Winnipeg cost ~185M. Is it is as nice as Edmonton's? My guess is no ( I've never been there), but why does it matter? Do we really need an arena that cost a billion or more? I don't need a nicer arena to enjoy a hockey game. Really, I just want shorter lines to the urinals. Would I pay a ticket tax for shorter bathroom lines? Depends on how many beer I had (but yes, probably yes..only half kidding), but Calgary tax payers shouldn't be on the hook for my beer consumption.
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Price tag is because it has the fieldhouse/stadium add-on so the Stamps can get a subsidized facility as well.So it's basically double the cost because of that.
MTS Centre is also the smallest building in the league which drops the price on construction noticeably, but was also built at almost the perfect time in the past 20 years. Construction costs worldwide started shooting up a lot almost immediately after it was built.
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04-01-2017, 10:42 AM
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#1007
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: I'm right behind you
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Originally Posted by transplant99
You're shooting the messenger here.
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No, I'm not. I think it's a good strategy from the ownership standpoint.
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04-01-2017, 10:48 AM
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#1008
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Calgary, Alberta
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Originally Posted by Table 5
Great. I for one am glad there's someone looking out for the long-term financial well-being of regular citizens, not just that of developer buddies like with the last guy.
Btw, I'm also glad we have another thread to discuss this topic in. We were getting dangerously low on arena threads.
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04-01-2017, 10:48 AM
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#1009
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Loves Teh Chat!
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I'm not going to threaten to relocate, except for in the same sentence.
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04-01-2017, 10:49 AM
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#1010
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan
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I love how people keep posting this like it's a counter.
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04-01-2017, 10:50 AM
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#1011
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Calgary, Alberta
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Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm
It's obvious Ken King isn't the man to lead this project. This arena deal has been bubbling for what ten years now? Should have stepped down when the loud thud bellowed out as CalgaryNext hit the floor almost two years ago.
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I agree. But his counterpart is not exactly captain maturity either.
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04-01-2017, 10:50 AM
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#1012
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Crash and Bang Winger
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Calgary
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I just find it hypocritical that nenshi is apparently wanting to explore an olympic bid which is far less profitable for a city than an NHL team, has a shorter impact in terms of prestige than a successful pro-sports team does and costs more than a new arena does, and on top of all that if the bid went through we would need a new arena anyways. Nenshi is a loud mouth who continues to walk with a "my way or the highway" swagger. Public funding is going to this project regardless, get off your high horse and work together on getting a deal that works for both parties instead of spouting off to the media that the project is dead.
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04-01-2017, 10:52 AM
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#1013
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Calgary, Alberta
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Originally Posted by nik-
I love how people keep posting this like it's a counter.
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The poster's argument was that Nenshi was "looking out for the financial well being of Calgary"
Clearly it is not.
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04-01-2017, 10:52 AM
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#1014
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First Line Centre
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Not really new information. Of course they'll leave if a new arena doesn't get built. if I was them I wouldn't pay anymore than 450M. Anything more than that is a terrible investment.
Balzac or Airdrie would be unreal. Plenty of land. In ten years it's be a population center as well
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04-01-2017, 10:52 AM
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#1015
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Loves Teh Chat!
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Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan
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Stupid Blue ring: 500k (which btw Nenshi wasn't happy about either)
Calgary next: 1.2B
Yup, same.
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04-01-2017, 10:53 AM
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#1016
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan
The poster's argument was that Nenshi was "looking out for the financial well being of Calgary"
Clearly it is not.
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If you honestly believe these two things are comparable in scale in any way whatsoever, I feel bad for you.
And that's ignoring the fact that this thing was commissioned before he was even mayor.
Your example is awful.
edit: sorry, he was mayor, but still doesn't like it, example still awful
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04-01-2017, 10:53 AM
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#1017
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by TheScorpion
I hope that this announcement is as serious as CalgaryNext was.
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If the relocation goes as smoothly as the CalgaryNext proposal, it'll be fun to watch, from a Calgary perspective.
Is it wrong, that i'm actually rooting for a relocation? I envision Benny Hill music in the background.
Then maybe we can embrace an ownership group who can appreciate the fans and market that is Calgary.
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04-01-2017, 10:55 AM
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#1018
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Torture
Stupid Blue ring: 500k (which btw Nenshi wasn't happy about either)
Calgary next: 1.2B
Yup, same.
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Stupid blue ring: project that was properly budgeted for
Calgary next: hey city of Calgary we are a private business a lot of people like can we just have 200M -1.2 billion dollars?
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04-01-2017, 10:56 AM
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#1020
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Lifetime Suspension
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Quote:
Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan
I agree. But his counterpart is not exactly captain maturity either.
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I'm not talking about maturity, Nenshi can be a bit of a blowhard but he's good for Calgary and Calgarians. Ken King has bumbled this arena project for almost a decade now. Arena threads started popping up on Calgarypuck about 10 years ago and even the biggest detractors would never have guessed the Flames couldn't work out a location for the damn project yet.
King hired Burke as President of Hockey Operations to focus on this project full time, and nothing has happened. It's a debacle of epic proportions. Geez, at least Daryl Katz had the balls to actual visit Seattle, King sits back like a child saying he's been baited into it. What a joke.
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