2016/2017 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Dion

He got us Gaudreau

yeah that was all Feaster lol

great hockey mind

[StrykerSteve]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

I'm a bitter 28. Twitter is a repository of awful. I don't need to know things THAT quickly. It's an ugly site to look at, and I refuse to be involved. I think it's made the world a worse place and I hope it dies.

#SurelossApp

You do realize Twitter is where Sureloss gets the majority of his news, right?

Twitter's excellent if you follow the right people.

[TheFlamesVan]

Originally Posted by StrykerSteve

Twitter's excellent if you follow the right people.

How do I follow sureloss???

[dammage79]

Well to counter some revisionist history on the Feaster era here's some good things he did:

Idc what anyone says, Bouwmeester was addition by subtraction. And he still netted a 1st round pick and prospects. And if you're not going to give Feaster credit for his good draft picks you have to concede that the scouting could have done better with the Poirier pick.

The Erixson fiasco is still paying small dividends with Shinkaruk. And turned Horak into a Smid.

Signed Jiri freaking Hudler. No small coincidence that Monahan and Gaudreau had their best seasons under the tutelage of Hudler.

The Lankow trade for stempniak was good.

Let the scouts do their jobs when it came to the draft. That in of itself should be considered competent usage of all the tools at the fingers of a GM.

The Bourque to MTL for cammy trade. Again being severely overlooked as that was a brilliant trade that also brought in some fans favorite, Kari Ramo.

The Janko draft was good. Even if today it only looks like Chiasson and Janko,Gillies, Kulak, Culkin,

Even if it looks bad now, the Wideman sign and trade was a good move as Widemans best year legged the Files through to the 2nd round of the playoffs.

Kris Russell.

Edit: Hiring Bob Hartley. Another key element to the development and the paychecks of Johnny and monny.

End of the day, Feaster built much of the Foundation Treliving is working towards making a contender. Hate the Richards and O'Reilly fiascos all you want, he's done the flames a greater service than harm.

[Murph]

My kids had me up early this morning, so I was thumbing through the rosters of some of the bottom feeders and came across Vanek. Im aware it's wishful thinking, but I haven't seen much chatter on him and was wondering what it'd cost to get him. 1st and a prospect?

EDIT: Perhaps that's too much?

http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2017/01/...-thomas-vanek/

[sureLoss]

Garrioch "rumors":
http://www.ottawasun.com/2017/02/25/...to-be-expected

some of it is stuff already out there reported by others, but the following are what seems to be unique:

Caps and Pens have reached out to Blues about Shattenkirk

Montreal, Nashville, Minnesota, San Jose and Ottawa are after Hanzal

League executives raised eyebrows when the Coyotes moved Stone for a 3rd round pick with half salary retained - Coyotes could have gotten more if they waited
one league executive said that a 20 min d-man usually gets a 2nd + prospect at the deadline
Sharks were making a push for Stone

talk that Stars might deal Odyua to Chicago or Montreal

strong feeling that Bishop won't be traded by Yzerman

[rhino]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Meh. Not as bad as what Brad Richards did to the Stars. Richards used his NTC to block his rights being traded even after the playoffs were over.

Blues can still get a decent rental price for Shattenkirk, he is still the best d-man on the rental market.

Mats Sundin also did that to Toronto as he blocked a trade to Montreal I believe.

[Monahan For Mayor]

Originally Posted by Murph

My kids had me up early this morning, so I was thumbing through the rosters of some of the bottom feeders and came across Vanek. Im aware it's wishful thinking, but I haven't seen much chatter on him and was wondering what it'd cost to get him. 1st and a prospect?

EDIT: Perhaps that's too much?

http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2017/01/...-thomas-vanek/

I'd rather go Tatar or Nyquist for that price.

[Fischy13]

With regards to the MAF trades. No offense to anyone but there's no way Pitts pays anyone to dump him off. The whole reason they are moving him is to avoid losing him in the expansion draft. There's no doubt they get a plus assert to ship him out. If they'd have to pay to get rid of him, why wouldn't they wait until Vegas selects him and just lose him. Not giving up any assets that way.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by Fischy13

With regards to the MAF trades. No offense to anyone but there's no way Pitts pays anyone to dump him off. The whole reason they are moving him is to avoid losing him in the expansion draft. There's no doubt they get a plus assert to ship him out. If they'd have to pay to get rid of him, why wouldn't they wait until Vegas selects him and just lose him. Not giving up any assets that way.

I don't think you grasp the situation.

MAF has a NMC. Which means if he doesn't waive it for the expansion draft, Pittsburgh will be forced to use their only goalie protection spot on MAF. Which means exposing Matt Murray in the expansion draft, who looks to be their franchise goaltender for the next decade.

The issue is not losing MAF in the expansion draft. In fact the Pens would probably be happy if that would happen.

The issue is losing Matt Murray.

If the Pens don't trade MAF and he won't waive for the expansion draft, then the Pens only option to keep Murray is to buyout MAF before the expansion draft and take ~$2 million cap hit for the next 4 years (which is pretty undesirable for a Stanley Cup contender).

Pittsburgh is in a vulnerable position with regards to moving MAF. The argument that they need to give up assets to move Fleury is a reasonable one.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

I don't think you grasp the situation.

MAF has a NMC. Which means if he doesn't waive it for the expansion draft, Pittsburgh will be forced to use their only goalie protection spot on MAF. Which means exposing Matt Murray in the expansion draft, who looks to be their franchise goaltender for the next decade.

The issue is not losing MAF in the expansion draft. In fact the Pens would probably be happy if that would happen.

The issue is losing Matt Murray.

If the Pens don't trade MAF and he won't waive for the expansion draft, then the Pens only option to keep Murray is to buyout MAF before the expansion draft and take ~$2 million cap hit for the next 4 years (which is pretty undesirable for a Stanley Cup contender).

Pittsburgh is in a vulnerable position with regards to moving MAF. The argument that they need to give up assets to move Fleury is a reasonable one.

This is so interesting of a situation. I see there being very little chance of moving MAF as he also wont waive his no move to go to a bottom feeder team.

The penguins have very few options at this point. Probably only a couple teams Flury waives to go to, but do those teams need/or want him.

Flames could be on his list maybe. If so you know Tre will get something good out of them!

[Fischy13]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

I don't think you grasp the situation.

MAF has a NMC. Which means if he doesn't waive it for the expansion draft, Pittsburgh will be forced to use their only goalie protection spot on MAF. Which means exposing Matt Murray in the expansion draft, who looks to be their franchise goaltender for the next decade.

The issue is not losing MAF in the expansion draft. In fact the Pens would probably be happy if that would happen.

The issue is losing Matt Murray.

If the Pens don't trade MAF and he won't waive for the expansion draft, then the Pens only option to keep Murray is to buyout MAF before the expansion draft and take ~$2 million cap hit for the next 4 years (which is pretty undesirable for a Stanley Cup contender).

Pittsburgh is in a vulnerable position with regards to moving MAF. The argument that they need to give up assets to move Fleury is a reasonable one.

You know, I completely knew that and totally forgot regarding them potentially losing Murray and not MAF. My bad. I suppose they might even be inclined to free up cap space to add elsewhere.... yeah they will need to add assets to unload him.

Here's hoping Wideman for MAF and a 2nd

[ah123]

I wonder if Treliving can somehow get Murray from the Pens. The cost would be very high, something like 1st+Gillies+one of the D prospects, but it is a win/win if Fleury does not waive his NMC and the Pens don't want to buy him out

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by ah123

I wonder if Treliving can somehow get Murray from the Pens. The cost would be very high, something like 1st+Gillies+one of the D prospects, but it is a win/win if Fleury does not waive his NMC and the Pens don't want to buy him out

I think it would be cool to offer las vegas a 1st for Murray instead... lol

[Poe969]

Originally Posted by Fischy13

You know, I completely knew that and totally forgot regarding them potentially losing Murray and not MAF. My bad. I suppose they might even be inclined to free up cap space to add elsewhere.... yeah they will need to add assets to unload him.

Here's hoping Wideman for MAF and a 2nd

NO! so in this deal, the flames ould get a second round pick in order to take on 2 years of MAF with a bad contract. A second isn't worth it. If Fleury was open to coming here and the flames wanted him, why not wait till he's a ufa and sign him to a better contract. The point of trading Wideman is to just move e his contract, not take back a worse one.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by Poe969

NO! so in this deal, the flames ould get a second round pick in order to take on 2 years of MAF with a bad contract. A second isn't worth it. If Fleury was open to coming here and the flames wanted him, why not wait till he's a ufa and sign him to a better contract. The point of trading Wideman is to just move e his contract, not take back a worse one.

I think a 2nd plus 1.5 mil in retained salery gets it done..oh and they take Dennis in return.

[Jebus]

Originally Posted by mikephoen

So the Kings don't want him in one of their most important games of the year against their cross town rival... but they're 'exploring' trading him? Good luck with moving that boat anchor!

I expect Gaborik will mysteriously be caught with some illegal substance in his hockey bag, clearly violating the LA Kings personnel code of conduct, thus voiding his contract and cap hit altogether.

[Matty81]

Really don't see any point in trading for Fleury, in 3 or 4 years when the core is in its prime he'll be retired or declining.

The flames should use their goalie protection slot on a younger guy just about to break through like murray was last year. Korpisalo is the guy I'd like to see them target.

Tough part would be deciding who of elliott and johnson you bring back. Both have had hot and cold streaks now. I think Elliott is probably the better bet and his salary will be lower now.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by Jebus

I expect Gaborik will mysteriously be caught with some illegal substance in his hockey bag, clearly violating the LA Kings personnel code of conduct, thus voiding his contract and cap hit altogether.

Oh man!!!

Wow the kings have sure signed some bad contracts!

[Svartsengi]

Originally Posted by Matty81

Really don't see any point in trading for Fleury, in 3 or 4 years when the core is in its prime he'll be retired or declining.

The flames should use their goalie protection slot on a younger guy just about to break through like murray was last year. Korpisalo is the guy I'd like to see them target.

Tough part would be deciding who of elliott and johnson you bring back. Both have had hot and cold streaks now. I think Elliott is probably the better bet and his salary will be lower now.

Korpisalo is a guy I like too. Columbus has to protect Bobrovsky in the expansion draft with his NMC and will have to expose Korpisalo. I would bring back Chad Johnson he has been a good backup on multiple teams and like this year if the starter falters he can play well for an extended streak. Johnson turned this season around.