2016/2017 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Vinny01]

Friedman speculating about Galchenyuk in his latest 30 thoughts.

Hand swing for the fences? Galchenyuk, Sergachev, McCarron, Plekanec, 1st for Duchene and Landeskog?

[t0rrent98]

Not sure if it already been said but its rumored that Ottawa has rejected Colorado's offer.

The belief is, the Avs want Ottawa defenceman Cody Ceci, a first-round pick in 2017, along with one of the club’s two blue-chip prospects — Saint John blueliner Thomas Chabot or Boston College centre Colin White — plus a couple of other parts in return for Duchene or Landeskog.

[Demetric]

as they should

[Flash Walken]

Maybe a deal involving both backlund and bennett to colorado for Duchene and a quality draft pick(s) would be a good return?

Moving backlund would also help with making the cap hits work without having to include a substantial asset to move someone like stajan for instance.

Backlund replaces the duchene role for colorado while they get a good young forward with tremendous upside in bennett to go with mackinnon.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Can I unread that? You want to trade two of our top 3 centres for Duchesne? Isn't it a little bit early in the day to be drunk? Absolutely brutal trade proposal. You're banished to HF for a month kthnx

[Flash Walken]

why read a post when you can vilify a poster?

[MrMastodonFarm]

Backlund and Duchene swap is interesting and I agree that if a guy like Duchene comes in Backlund is the one to go but think Bennett and the picks muddies the waters too much. There isn't much separating the principal players in this trade IMO. Backlund is peaking Duchene has a higher offensive ceiling but Backlund's all around game makes up for that, or makes it close. And it's not like they're separated by age much, only two years.

Going with Monahan, Duchene as your 1-2 is great but if you're moving Bennett I'd rather see what else is out there besides top picks. Similar valued blueline blue-chipper that sort of thing.

Interesting thought though.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Backlund and Duchene swap is interesting and I agree that if a guy like Duchene comes in Backlund is the one to go but think Bennett and the picks muddies the waters too much. There isn't much separating the principal players in this trade IMO. Backlund is peaking Duchene has a higher offensive ceiling but Backlund's all around game makes up for that, or makes it close. And it's not like they're separated by age much, only two years.

Going with Monahan, Duchene as your 1-2 is great but if you're moving Bennett I'd rather see what else is out there besides top picks. Similar valued blueline blue-chipper that sort of thing.

Interesting thought though.

Agreed on moving Bennett for a defender. I think ultimately that's the best way to proceed, a 1 for 1 defender for centre swap, but with the way Bennett has been playing this year I don't know if those trades are out there anymore, at least not for the quality of prospect I'd want back in return if the team is going to subtract bennett.

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Maybe a deal involving both backlund and bennett to colorado for Duchene and a quality draft pick(s) would be a good return?

Moving backlund would also help with making the cap hits work without having to include a substantial asset to move someone like stajan for instance.

Backlund replaces the duchene role for colorado while they get a good young forward with tremendous upside in bennett to go with mackinnon.

Backlund has better numbers than Duchene does this year and he's only a year older... if that trade happens it would be Backlund for Duchene, with Colorado having to add... but obviously this makes absolutely no sense as it does not provide benefit to either team.

[PepsiFree]

The only guy on Colorado I see filling a real need is Zadorov.

Didn't Sakic say Mackinnon and Zadorov were the only untouchables though? Maybe I got the wrong defenceman.

EDIT: Nevermind, he didn't name Zadorov. I'd go after Zadorov.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Friedman speculating about Galchenyuk in his latest 30 thoughts.

Hand swing for the fences? Galchenyuk, Sergachev, McCarron, Plekanec, 1st for Duchene and Landeskog?

Holy overpayment Batman

Glachenyuk = Landeskog = Duchene

Last two seasons:

Galchenyuk (23) = 85 pts 119 GP

Landeskog (24) = 75 pts 118 GP

Duchene (26) = 91 pts 124 GP

So that is an equal swap, and Galchenyuk is the youngest of the 3. Then you are going to do Sergachev, McCarron, Plekanec (who himself has 77 pts over the last two seasons), and a 1st for the other guy. That would be the worst trade for Montreal.

These Colorado forwards are being way over valued IMO. Duchene has never broken 70 points, and Landeskog has never broken 65, and you have to go back to the 13/14 season for both of them for that level of production.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

I wouldn't move Bennett until next season at the earliest, even if you're not big on him. Sophomore slumps are a real thing and he's not the only young and talented player on the Flames to have worse offensive numbers this year.

[mikephoen]

The overvaluing of Duchene by both the Avs and some fans is insane. The guy has averaged 55-60 points for the last three years (including his projection for this year), is 26, and is on the small side for centers (5'11") and makes 6M. A big part of why the Avs are so bad is Duchene getting dominated by the bigger and better centers on the other teams in the west. He is what he is, a decent 2nd line center. Teams shouldn't and won't give up the moon for this guy.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Holy overpayment Batman

Glachenyuk = Landeskog = Duchene

Last two seasons:

Galchenyuk = 85 pts 119 GP

Landeskog = 75 pts 118 GP

Duchene = 91 pts 124 GP

So that is an equal swap. Then you are going to do Sergachev, McCarron, Plekanec (who himself has 77 pts over the last two seasons), and a 1st for the other guy. That would be the worst trade for Montreal.

These Colorado forwards are being way over valued IMO. Duchene has never broken 70 points, and Landeskog has never broken 65, and you have to go back to the 13/14 season for both of them for that level of production.

You are probably right but Plekanec is negative value just a throw in as he makes $6M next year. It seems the price to get one or both is high so a good young player, top prospect, young tweener, late 1st, and a cap dump for 2 top 6 forwards aged 26 and 24 doesn't seem too crazy

[Flash Walken]

Duchene is a good enough player to make team canada as a forward/centre.

There isn't a single player on the flames who can say that right now.

Obviously team canada selection isn't the be-all end-all but it does tell you about his perceived ability in the hockey world.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by mikephoen

The overvaluing of Duchene by both the Avs and some fans is insane.

Impatience with player development and a "grass is always greener" mentality is what drives most of it I imagine.

[SuperMatt18]

I don't really understand Friedman's point on Galchenyuk either.

You have a guy who is 23, just breaking out, still has 2 years of RFA status before UFA who is probably going to want a contract in the $6 million range.

But you don't know if you want to pay that much for him.

So you are going to trade him for a 26 year old, who has similar point production, who make $6M for the next two years until he is a UFA.

Why not keep the younger, RFA, if he is going to be making $6M as well.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I don't really understand Friedman's point on Galchenyuk either.

You have a guy who is 23, just breaking out, still has 2 years of RFA status before UFA who is probably going to want a contract in the $6 million range.

But you don't know if you want to pay that much for him.

So you are going to trade him for a 26 year old, who has similar point production, who make $6M for the next two years until he is a UFA.

Why not keep the younger, RFA, if he is going to be making $6M as well.

Maybe the organization feels that points aren't everything and that Galchenyuk is lacking in specific qualities the organization feels it needs to be successful?

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Duchene is a good enough player to make team canada as a forward/centre.

There isn't a single player on the flames who can say that right now.

Obviously team canada selection isn't the be-all end-all but it does tell you about his perceived ability in the hockey world.

I really like Matt Duchene, but I'm not sure you can say that about him right now.

His Olympic appearance was 3 seasons ago - in the middle of a PPG 70 point season, in which he helped lead Colorado to the playoffs.

Since then its been a disaster in Colorado, and he's put up between 55-60 points in three seasons where the Avs are a lottery team.

If they were picking the 2018 Olympic team right now I'm not sure he's on it.

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Maybe the organization feels that points aren't everything and that Galchenyuk is lacking in specific qualities the organization feels it needs to be successful?

Does Matt Duchene have those qualities? If he does then why has Colorado been a tire fire with all these great young forwards that teams should be trading the farm for.

This is Matt Duchene we are talking about, not Patrice Bergeron.

I'm not saying that team's shouldn't look at trading for him but if you are looking at giving up somebody like a Galchenyuk straight up I'm just not sure it makes sense.

[Vinny01]

The Habs have always seemed somewhat reluctant with Galchenyuk for some reason. His name hasn't popped up for a while but I recall reading that they were not sure about him long term 18 or so months ago.

He would be a player I would be happy with the Flames chasing after and would be okay paying him around $6M per