Douglas Garland Trial - Guilty- 1st degree- 3 counts / 75 years no parole.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by pylon

I can't understand how people can read stuff like this, and still believe the death penalty is inhumane. Garland has forfeited his right to live based on what he did. Pure evil, and there is absolutely zero reason to waste one red cent on this guy keeping him alive.

As long as there's a 001% chance he's innocent the death penalty shouldn't be an option. While the evidence is extremely damning it's still circumstantial, show me absolute proof with zero chance of a frame job and I would hang him myself.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Northendzone

To me Nathan's dad should be given the opportunity to escort garland while the regular guards make a wrong turn down a hallway.....and then get locked behind a door for about 10 minutes

Do you think that would help him recover?

I suspect it would feel good now but beating to death a person in handcuffs would likely lead to more emotional damage.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by pylon

I can't understand how people can read stuff like this, and still believe the death penalty is inhumane. Garland has forfeited his right to live based on what he did. Pure evil, and there is absolutely zero reason to waste one red cent on this guy keeping him alive.

Cases like this are what keep me on the fence for sure.

[Clarkey]

The fact that this a-hole, sociopath, psychopathic prick is sitting through this painfully obviously incriminating evidence and not admitting to it to end it is grounds for torture as a punishment. Forget the death penalty, bring on torture as a punishment, lock pieces of #### up for life and throw away the key. Oh wait regressive left wingers want to rehabilitate!

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Nm.

[MBates]

Originally Posted by Clarkey

The fact that this a-hole, sociopath, psychopathic prick is sitting through this painfully obviously incriminating evidence and not admitting to it to end it is grounds for torture as a punishment. Forget the death penalty, bring on torture as a punishment, lock pieces of #### up for life and throw away the key. Oh wait regressive left wingers want to rehabilitate!

With all due respect, assuming the Crown theory to be true, Garland used torture as a punishment for what he felt was an injustice to him. There's just no way around it...using torture to punish the unforgivable act of torture just doesn't add up.

Torturing him will most certainly not bring these people back or undo the injustice of their death. It will just create at least one more sadistic torturer in our community.

Garland, if guilty, will almost certainly get life with no chance of parole for at least 60 years. He's not going to get rehabilitative sentencing. Such suggestions unnecessarily undermine the legitimacy of our legal system.

[Clarkey]

Originally Posted by MBates

With all due respect, assuming the Crown theory to be true, Garland used torture as a punishment for what he felt was an injustice to him. There's just no way around it...using torture to punish the unforgivable act of torture just doesn't add up.

Torturing him will most certainly not bring these people back or undo the injustice of their death. It will just create at least one more sadistic torturer in our community.

Garland, if guilty, will almost certainly get life with no chance of parole for at least 60 years. He's not going to get rehabilitative sentencing. Such suggestions unnecessarily undermine the legitimacy of our legal system.

[burn_this_city]

Nah Clarkey it's you that's out to lunch. Garland is looking at consecutive life sentences, he will die in prison if convicted.

[MBates]

Originally Posted by Clarkey

I'm not suggesting Garland's view would somehow be valid...if that's what perplexed you. Just saying there is no way to legitimately make sense of torturing someone no matter how noble you think your purpose.

[FLAME ENVY]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

As long as there's a 001% chance he's innocent the death penalty shouldn't be an option. While the evidence is extremely damning it's still circumstantial, show me absolute proof with zero chance of a frame job and I would hang him myself.

So you're saying the evidence presented thus far by the crown is simply 'circumstantial' ? Frame job, really ?

[Clarkey]

Originally Posted by MBates

I'm not suggesting Garland's view would somehow be valid...if that's what perplexed you. Just saying there is no way to legitimately make sense of torturing someone no matter how noble you think your purpose.

I respectfully disagree. If someone holds someone captive in a cell, we damn well send them to a cell. You are arguing a false moral equivalency.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Clarkey

I respectfully disagree. If someone holds someone captive in a cell, we damn well send them to a cell. You are arguing a false moral equivalency.

So how do you do this in a way that you never torture an innocent person?

[Clarkey]

Originally Posted by GGG

So how do you do this in a way that you never torture an innocent person?

Innocents could be wrongfully incarcerated, therefor we should not incarcerate.

You've got to have some faith in the system!

I'd rather have 1M criminal scum get the proper punishment and risk the remote chance myself or one of my fellow countrymen get wrongfully convicted than let "alleged" savages like this guy not see proper justice.

[Mr.Coffee]

MBates, are there any statistics or any information you're aware of that could provide some light as to the frequency of innocent people being wrongfully convicted?

Like is this way more common than people realize or something?

[Coach]

I think it's common enough that it shouldn't be allowed.

I also think... f*** that guy.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Clarkey

Innocents could be wrongfully incarcerated, therefor we should not incarcerate.

You've got to have some faith in the system!

I'd rather have 1M criminal scum get the proper punishment and risk the remote chance myself or one of my fellow countrymen get wrongfully convicted than let "alleged" savages like this guy not see proper justice.

I think it is pretty telling that I've only ever heard the opposite of what you're saying.

Normally it's 'I'd rather a 1M killers go free than 1 innocent person be wrongfully convicted', not the other way around

[pylon]

Originally Posted by Clarkey

The fact that this a-hole, sociopath, psychopathic prick is sitting through this painfully obviously incriminating evidence and not admitting to it to end it is grounds for torture as a punishment. Forget the death penalty, bring on torture as a punishment, lock pieces of #### up for life and throw away the key. Oh wait regressive left wingers want to rehabilitate!

I certainly don't agree with the torture porn angle. I just believe someone capable of doing something like this serves zero purpose to anyone or anything. And should have to pay with their life. However making it some sort of scene out of a Hostel film does lower you to their level.

Executions should be quick, humane and business like. And done out of necessity. Not some sick fantasy.

[MBates]

Originally Posted by Clarkey

I respectfully disagree. If someone holds someone captive in a cell, we damn well send them to a cell. You are arguing a false moral equivalency.

When did I suggest you cannot send someone to a cell? You advocated torture as an appropriate punishment for someone who would torture another. I said you cannot actually justify torture even if you are punishing someone for torture.

One punishment can be done in a humane and just manner (send someone to a cell as we do in Canada every day) the other is, well, torture and by definition not a just form of punishment according to our constitution and rule of law.

[MBates]

Originally Posted by Clarkey

I'd rather have 1M criminal scum get the proper punishment and risk the remote chance myself or one of my fellow countrymen get wrongfully convicted than let "alleged" savages like this guy not see proper justice.

I call BS...

Go spend a night in Drumheller Institution and contemplate that you won't get to leave that place for another 8,394 nights labeled as a convicted nurse rapist and murderer - even though you never broke any law - and then come tell me again how you are good with that because well there are a minuscule percentage of 'savages' in the country and you are happy to take one for the team.

Milgaard, who actually knows what that is like, says you are wrong.

[FireGilbert]

The death penalty is a sign of a cruel uncivilised society and I'm very proud as a Canadian that barbaric practice was ended years ago. There is nothing wrong with life in prison with no parole.