American Politics Thread: Orange is the new POTUS (Archive)

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by accord1999

You mean the one where the US is at record natural gas production and near-record oil production?

https://www.eia.gov/dnav/ng/hist/n9050us2a.htm

https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/Le...s=MCRFPUS2&f=A


The one where 78-79% of human energy usage is provided by fossil fuels for years now and despite large investments into the unreliable renewables, they provide less energy to humanity than burning wood?

Production does not equal policy.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Codes

I'm ready.

I dont know about the rest of you but I was told that the asteroid was here to pick me up and take me home, all I have to do is drink this koolaid...

[Fozzie_DeBear]

Originally Posted by Locke

I dont know about the rest of you but I was told that the asteroid was here to pick me up and take me home, all I have to do is drink this koolaid...

Don't bogart the kool-aid...

[Senator Clay Davis]

Bruce Willis and Ben Affleck are gonna save us from the end unfortunately. ####ty Aerosmith to be playing in the background.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Bruce Willis and Ben Affleck are gonna save us from the end unfortunately. ####ty Aerosmith to be playing in the background.

Its a good thing that Ben Affleck realized the error of his ways regarding drilling for filthy Oil and instead decided to dedicate his life to becoming Batman.

So technically....Batman and John Maclean saved the world from an asteroid way back in 1998...now that would be a hell of a film.

Wait...what were we discussing again?

[Boo Radley]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

It just boggles my mind that anyone thinks Trump has anything resembling a plan here. Almost all the available evidence suggests he's just making it up as he goes, and doesn't actually know what he's doing.

I agree with you that Trump has no clue.
But make no mistake there is a plan. It is coming from Bannon.

[flylock shox]

I would imagine the ambiguity in the wording of the executive order banning people from target countries is to allow the White House to back away from some of the harshest consequences, arguing they are unintended.

The key passage appears to be:

I hereby proclaim that the immigrant and nonimmigrant entry into the United States of aliens from countries referred to in section 217(a)(12) of the INA, 8 U.S.C. 1187(a)(12), would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, and I hereby suspend entry into the United States, as immigrants and nonimmigrants, of such persons for 90 days from the date of this order (excluding those foreign nationals traveling on diplomatic visas, North Atlantic Treaty Organization visas, C-2 visas for travel to the United Nations, and G-1, G-2, G-3, and G-4 visas).

Which, really, translates to:

I hereby proclaim that the entry into the United States of people from Iraq, Iran, Syria, Libya, Somalia, Yemen and Sudan, would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, and I hereby suspend entry into the United States of such persons for 90 days from the date of this order (excluding the ones with diplomatic visas or similar).

And the real problem is the word "from". What does that mean, exactly?

My Canadian gf, who was born in Tehran, is technically "from" Iran. Does that mean that she's banned, despite the fact she has a Nexus card, and travels to the US frequently both for pleasure and at the behest of her American employer? I guess that's now in the hands of some poor schlub DHS or border agent to decide.

What a disgrace that country is.

[TheyCallMeBruce]

Yeah, if it was up to Tea Leoni, Morgan Freeman, and Elija wood, we would all be dead.

[Boo Radley]

Originally Posted by Fozzie_DeBear

What is the realistic path for Trump to be impeached? Who has to do what?

First step: the invertebrates need to grow a backbone.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

You can love him or hate him, but I liked seeing this on my twitter feed today.

Justin Trudeau ‏@JustinTrudeau
To those fleeing persecution, terror & war, Canadians will welcome you, regardless of your faith. Diversity is our strength #WelcomeToCanada

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by flylock shox

My Canadian gf, who was born in Tehran, is technically "from" Iran. Does that mean that she's banned, despite the fact she has a Nexus card, and travels to the US frequently both for pleasure and at the behest of her American employer? I guess that's now in the hands of some poor schlub DHS or border agent to decide.

What a disgrace that country is.

Is she still an Iranian citizen? Because that appears to be what they're going by. The state department has said that the ban applies to non-American dual citizens as well so an Iranian-Canadian who holds citizenship in both countries would be inadmissible to the US.

Pretty messed up situation.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Thank goodness the Saudis can still get in. They haven't done anything bad to Americans that I can remember in the past 20 years.

[flylock shox]

Originally Posted by opendoor

Is she still an Iranian citizen? Because that appears to be what they're going by. The state department has said that the ban applies to non-American dual citizens as well so an Iranian-Canadian who holds citizenship in both countries would be inadmissible to the US.

Pretty messed up situation.

The trouble with it is that it seems to depend on how you interpret a person's country of origin. Does the person have to be a citizen of the target country, resident in the target country, born in that country? It's just not spelled out. So for my gf, she's Canadian, but her passport clearly shows she was born in Tehran. Would they even notice this? What if they did? Who makes the decision if that counts or not? And what happens if the guy who lets her cross the border into the US isn't the same guy she runs into on the way out? Is she detained? For what purpose?

It's just a mess. Usually departments would be given months to prepare for implementation of policy or legislation like this (and the policy/legislation itself would be debated so that ambiguities would be resolved). Instead, they're just going to have to do their best to interpret it, and a lot people will be screwed over in the process. And the white house and republicans don't care in the slightest. It's not their problem, as they see it.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

Thank goodness the Saudis can still get in. They haven't done anything bad to Americans that I can remember in the past 20 years.

What's gonna really be a kick in the nuts to the Trump cultists is when the next big attack is primarily from Saudi attackers, Trump will help fly the Saudi royals out of the country.

[Kybosh]

This has all been nothing but pandering to his supporters with zero regard for the long term ramifications. I'm very disappointed.

[Dogbert]

Yeah, Godwin's Law, but... Everything Trump has done so far is right out of Hitler's playbook, from the scapegoating of minorities, to the muzzling of any counter-opinions within the government, to the rhetoric against the media and framing of Trump's word as the only trustworthy source. Remember, Hitler's initial rallying cry was that Germany was a divided country that needed to be unified again as well, and we all know how he decided to go about doing that.

By the way, for those folks still laughing at what our neighbours are doing - How did that whole situation turn out for the countries that border Germany?

[Senator Clay Davis]

Nice thing about Canada at least is our oil is very difficult to extract, so since they can't steal it I'm not sure they'll have any interest in us. Other than to maybe hand us over to Vlad.

[DownhillGoat]

Originally Posted by Dogbert

By the way, for those folks still laughing at what our neighbours are doing - How did that whole situation turn out for the countries that border Germany?

The Swiss seemed to do okay.

[Locke]

Worked out okay for the Czechs...eventually.

[Dogbert]

Originally Posted by kunkstyle

The Swiss seemed to do okay.

Still - our choice would be to collaborate with them and adopt all the BS Trump is pushing ourselves, or resist, be crushed by their military, and be forced to adopt it.

I would also like to point out that the Final Solution was supposed to be deportation of the Jews and other "undesirables," until the Nazis worked out that it would be cheaper and easier to do what they did.