American Politics Thread: Orange is the new POTUS (Archive)

[Drak]

Originally Posted by peter12

I believe Twitter has evolved a pretty distinct culture

Twitter is a medium used by both left, right and those in between.

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by peter12

Twitter is the left's version of fake news.

Only when it comes from therealdonaldtrump

[DownInFlames]

Originally Posted by peter12

I believe Twitter has evolved a pretty distinct culture

You would be wrong. It's just like Facebook. There are tons of Trump supporters on there.

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by peter12

I believe Twitter has evolved a pretty distinct culture

Fox News is the real thing.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Nothing really fake about it, the executive order signed by Trump today expressly forbids the entry of any foreign national from a banned country from entering the USA unless they have a diplomatic visa or a NATO visa for 90 days after he signed the order. The wording of the order claims this 90 day window will temporarily alleviate the investigative burden.

home of the brave, land of the free white/Christian

[Drak]

Originally Posted by DuffMan

Fox News is the real thing.

I thought Coca Cola was the real thing?

[Looch City]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Reports on twitter that people who currently hold valid green cards from the banned immigration countries are not being allowed back into the USA.

Some are advising if you hold a green card and are from one of those countries not to leave the US because US border guards won't let you back in.

Are you serious? I have a bunch of extended family members that go back forth from US/Iran...fun times ahead.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Nothing really fake about it, the executive order signed by Trump today expressly forbids the entry of any foreign national from a banned country from entering the USA unless they have a diplomatic visa or a NATO visa for 90 days after he signed the order. The wording of the order claims this 90 day window will temporarily alleviate the investigative burden.

I believe Peter was asking. Is there a reputable news source reporting this story that people holding green cards are being refused re-entry or is it just people repeating what could be an interpretation of the executive order

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by GGG

I believe Peter was asking. Is there a reputable news source reporting this story that people holding green cards are being refused re-entry or is it just people repeating what could be an interpretation of the executive order

I already thought this was linked in the thread:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/27/w...uslim-ban.html

The order is expected to freeze almost all travel to the United States by citizens from the Muslim-majority countries of Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen for at least 90 days. Three of those countries are considered sponsors of terrorism (Iran, Sudan and Syria), and three are designated countries of concern (Libya, Somalia and Yemen).

Passport-holders from those countries, who have American visas but are outside the United States, will not be permitted to return

The twitter reports (if true) are just people confirming that this is happening. If you actually read the wording of the order, it is pretty black and white, not a lot of room for interpretation.

To temporarily reduce investigative burdens on relevant agencies during the review period described in subsection (a) of this section, to ensure the proper review and maximum utilization of available resources for the screening of foreign nationals, and to ensure that adequate standards are established to prevent infiltration by foreign terrorists or criminals, pursuant to section 212(f) of the INA, 8 U.S.C. 1182(f), I hereby proclaim that the immigrant and nonimmigrant entry into the United States of aliens from countries referred to in section 217(a)(12) of the INA, 8 U.S.C. 1187(a)(12), would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, and I hereby suspend entry into the United States, as immigrants and nonimmigrants, of such persons for 90 days from the date of this order (excluding those foreign nationals traveling on diplomatic visas, North Atlantic Treaty Organization visas, C-2 visas for travel to the United Nations, and G-1, G-2, G-3, and G-4 visas).

[sureLoss]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/poli...icle-1.2957910

Within hours of President Trump’s executive order limiting immigration from Muslim countries, green card and visa holders were already being blocked from getting on flights to the U.S.

The Arab-American Anti-Discrimination Committee said people who had already landed were being sequestered at airports and told they have to return to their point of origin.

The Department of Homeland Security issued a directive at 4:30 p.m. ordering the Customs and Border Patrol to enforce the executive order.

“For those already here, we won't actually know until the flights back to these areas begin departing,” Abed Ayoub of the ADC said about the crisis.

Customs officials said the number of people who arrived here and were turned back was not immediately available Friday night.

“It takes time to collect all the numbers,” a spokesman said.

“It will be a decision from the highest levels of The Department of Homeland Security to decide if and when the data may be available.”

[opendoor]

Yeah, I don't see anything in the order that would necessarily exclude green card holders from being banned from entering the country. It refers only to "aliens" and green card holders are considered "resident aliens" of the US so it's certainly plausible that they'd be subject to the ban.

[DeluxeMoustache]

So if there are 240 million of voting age, about 200 actually registered, and turnout around 52 percent (not sure if entirely accurate, recall that estimate and can't be bothered to dig), say that's 5 of 125 million or 4 percent?

That seems absurd. 4 out of every 100 voters fraudulent?

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by peter12

Twitter is the left's version of fake news.

As others have pointed out, Twitter is a medium for the delivery of information, not information itself. Twitter is incapable of being fake news, only the transmission media for the distribution of fake news. Twitter's credibility as a media source is tied to its ability to spread information, especially lies and disinformation, but it is not responsible for fake news.

Also, what makes fake news fake news? It is the lack of facts and the injection of obvious disinformation. With Fake News there is no journalism which takes place and the story is based on supposition and opinion rather than on substance and facts. Fake news has become a catchall phrase for a particular segment of the population, and they use it for any information that does not comply with their perspective. That is the biggest issue with the term.

Conservatives have turned it into yet another dog whistle term to bring their attack trolls charging to the gate frothing at the mouth. I believe this is because, deep down, they acknowledge the fact that fake news is core to their information bubble they hide in - that fake news comprises a good percentage of the stories in the sources of information they so readily turn to which keep them warm, happy, and isolated from this thing called reality. Also, if they acknowledge the truth about fake news they would have to admit fake news was what gave Trump the massive lift he needed to win the election.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by peter12

Twitter is the left's version of fake news.

Originally Posted by peter12

I believe Twitter has evolved a pretty distinct culture

Originally Posted by GGG

I believe Peter was asking. Is there a reputable news source reporting this story that people holding green cards are being refused re-entry or is it just people repeating what could be an interpretation of the executive order

Really? Neither of the above quotes, which were his responses to the sureloss story, include question marks. They are statements, not questions.

It was pretty obvious what Peter was saying. He was trying to marginalize the story because of where it came from, attempting to tie it to what he considers a leftist source, which is ridiculous considering Twitter is the primary feeding source for President Comacho's rabid followers. If he was questioning the validity of the story his response should have been, "link?" or "do you have anything credible to back up that tweet?" "Twitter is the left's version of fake news." is not a question nor a way of inquiring into the existence of a legitimate news story on the issue.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Glad Peter is back with his inane musings.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Radio is the tool of the devil

[DuffMan]

If twitter is for left leaning liars, why don't I use it? Hunh? Trump sure loves it though, weird. Didn't really think of him as left leaning.

[Senator Clay Davis]

My favorite part of peter's attempt to make Twitter some kind of left wing bubble is Trump never would have won the election without Twitter. I doubt he spends all that much time on Twitter, if any at all. It's probably very close to a 50/50 split, with a slight lean towards more right wingers on it.

[metallicat]

I can only hope this leads to 50 years of Democrat rule in the States starting in four years.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Glad Peter is back with his inane musings.

Disagree with a guy = inane musings?

CP is too much of an echo chamber without the likes of people like peter12. They made the right call to let him back and if you don't like him just ignore him.

But no, Twitter is not a left leaning tool. If you want evidence go follow trump and click on the comments section. You'll see some of America's finest commenting in there.