Elliot Friedman believes Treliving may not be back next season

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

If there is a franchise that has earned the benefit of the doubt of doing it 'their own way', it's the notoriously successful Calgary Flames.

Would have been better without green text. Just make the joke and if no one gets it, chuckle to yourself.

I would have laughed, because I'm a sarcastic dick

[sa226]

Is Eric Francis supposed to be our version of Spector?

Spector's last two articles were puke worthy. But he's not going to change, he's basking in it. I could get behind Eric Francis if he became our mouthpiece.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Always kills me when Spector comes out of the woodwork to write Flames articles. His "just being a reporter, honest" routine is so easy to see through.

You can literally imagine the glee on his face as he sent this off to the RSN editors.

[Rick M.]

Originally Posted by Table 5

i was hoping it wasn't our turn to become a ruderless mess now that the Oilers are starting to become semi-respectable.

The possibility of the Oilers owning us for the next decade makes me want to throw up.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

The hilarious thing about Spector's spiel on the Oilers' "project" or "progress" to becoming a "bigger, better" team than Calgary is that it's roughly 100% just Connor McDavid being all-world. That's all that's improved. Nothing else has really moved the needle for them. Without him on the ice, they still suck. It's not some great organizational epiphany, it's just having a guy on your top line who's going to be the best hockey player in the world for the next ten years or so.

What he's saying about the Flames' issues is actually pretty fair though. Goaltending, and a lack of confidence and experience that will come in time. Nothing terribly controversial there.

[CaptainCrunch]

the Oilers have faced very little adversity this year, and their injuries have been pretty inconsequential. And please don't tell me that Nurse is a big deal even though I believe his contract will be.

Coming out and humble bragging at this point is embarrassing for him, especially if the Oilers mess this year up.

[Timbo]

It's quite possible Treliving is leaving the Flames and or the Hockey business for his own reasons.
He has let ownership know and therefore no extension was given.

Somehow the no contract extension was discovered and the Flames are putting a spin on it for Trelivings sake and to quietly look for replacement.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Timbo

It's quite possible Treliving is leaving the Flames and or the Hockey business for his own reasons.
He has let ownership know and therefore no extension was given.

Somehow the no contract extension was discovered and the Flames are putting a spin on it for Trelivings sake and to quietly look for replacement.

Yeah, I really don't think so.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by sa226

Is Eric Francis supposed to be our version of Spector?

Spector's last two articles were puke worthy. But he's not going to change, he's basking in it. I could get behind Eric Francis if he became our mouthpiece.

Hardly, he's the anti Specter, he pretty much hates the Flames organization and they hate him.

[Beninho]

Seems pretty legit coming from Friedman, would be skeptical with other reporters but I don't think Friedman would ever break a story without knowing it to be 100% true. This had to be all because of the coaching decisions, Tre has made solid trades mixed in with one steal for Dougie. His drafts seem to be looking good with getting some very good talent in the latter rounds but obviously it's too early to tell how good these drafts were. Elliott hasn't worked out but that shouldn't be on Tre, he brought in a winning goalie with the league leading save % for a second round pick. Does management want a roster overhaul? Do they want to trade key players? Do they want to rebuild the rebuild? I have no clue but it seems the way Treliving is moving this team forward is the the right way. I am for giving him a pass on the Gully hire but it seems ownership is very pissed with how this season is shaping up. Doesn't help that the Wild have been amazing under Boudreau, shouldnt matter because these are two completely different teams and no one knows if Boudreaus style would of worked with this team. I think this would be a bad move and really makes me question what ownership envisions for this team.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

The hilarious thing about Spector's spiel on the Oilers' "project" or "progress" to becoming a "bigger, better" team than Calgary is that it's roughly 100% just Connor McDavid being all-world. That's all that's improved. Nothing else has really moved the needle for them. Without him on the ice, they still suck. It's not some great organizational epiphany, it's just having a guy on your top line who's going to be the best hockey player in the world for the next ten years or so.

What he's saying about the Flames' issues is actually pretty fair though. Goaltending, and a lack of confidence and experience that will come in time. Nothing terribly controversial there.

Talbot deserves a lot of credit. He rarely lets in soft goals and makes timely big saves for them more often than not. So basically two players are carrying the team.

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by Timbo

It's quite possible Treliving is leaving the Flames and or the Hockey business for his own reasons.
He has let ownership know and therefore no extension was given.

Somehow the no contract extension was discovered and the Flames are putting a spin on it for Trelivings sake and to quietly look for replacement.

No I highly doubt this, Tre doesn't seem like a guy who would quit halfway through, and him leaving would be seen as a failure even though he's made more good moves then bad. No way he wants to be seen as a GM who leaves when the going gets tough, this is ownership.

[CliffFletcher]

Okay, I just listened to the full interview.

Pretty depressing. Ownership is not patient and does things its own way. Treliving plays the long game. If he's turfed, I don't have a lot of optimism about the future of this team. Meddling, impatient ownership is about the worst thing a sports franchise can be saddled with.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Talbot deserves a lot of credit. He rarely lets in soft goals and makes timely big saves for them more often than not. So basically two players are carrying the team.

Talbot deserves a ton of credit, watching the Oilers for their most part their defensive coverage is still pretty poor and he bails them out constantly. Yes Draisaitl is good and yes Maroon is having a Lance Bouma season. But at the end of the day Talbot and McDavid are the real reasons for any success.

Hopefully they don't break their backs carrying the rest of the dead weight up here.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Okay, I just listened to the full interview.

Pretty depressing. Ownership is not patient and does things its own way. Treliving plays the long game. If he's turfed, I don't have a lot of optimism about the future of this team. Meddling, impatient ownership is about the worst thing a sports franchise can be saddled with.

I might have to start cheering for Tampa.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

I just heard it again and took some notes

- doesn't think they're gonna be sellers, not how they operate as an organization
- Pinder brings up Wideman and Fried says he's been on the block for a while he thinks
- Engelland is not a core piece so selling him wouldn't make them sellers
- Nashville has woken up
- thinks Flames'll stay the course
- Heard some teams had called about Bennett on Thurs/Fri
- Tre said no not avail
- Knows somebody who knows the Flames org and they're comfortable to do things differently
- Flames say it isn't ominous that they won't sign Tre to extension yet
- But Friedman says it is hard to see it that way because 31 teams don't do that
- Doesn't know the outcome
- Even if flames make playoffs, not 100% convinced Tre will be GM next year
- Doesn't think Tre will make desperate stupid moves at deadline to save his job
- Pinder follows up and says that the pressure may force Tre to make desperate moves, Fried responds by saying that's not how he operated in Arizona
- panic trade hurts Tre's future, won't do that, hurt chances of new job if necessary
- Doesn't think Maloney is angling for job if Flames don't sign Tre
- Boomer brings up meddling ownership but makes it clear he's just repeating other peoples' rumours and that he doesn't believe them but notes that the meddling thing will only get more attention
- Friedman says "I realized this because other guys were saying to me "whats going on there?"'
- Says it is a "bad look" referring to Tre not having a contract
- Lots of people would say Flames have a good looking roster, wouldn't have trouble finding a GM

Absolutely nothing in there that implies that he thinks Tre is gone for sure. He seemed most critical of the fact that the Flames are bucking the trend of never leaving a guy unsigned.

He's just reporting that it isn't a done deal even if flames make playoffs and that the Flames holding off is a bit odd compared the rest of the league.

No idea how anyone got "Elliot Friedman believes Treliving won't be back next season" out of that.

Wow, it's even worse than the headline.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Talbot deserves a lot of credit. He rarely lets in soft goals and makes timely big saves for them more often than not. So basically two players are carrying the team.

Talbot is a part of it, but that's just league average goaltending. Granted, that makes a difference, and it's everything if you DON'T have it (see: Flames, Calgary) but it wouldn't get them anywhere without McJesus.

[sureLoss]

Just FYI, after the cup run, the Flames went on a year by year basis with Darryl Sutter as GM for a few years.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

I just heard it again and took some notes

- doesn't think they're gonna be sellers, not how they operate as an organization
- Pinder brings up Wideman and Fried says he's been on the block for a while he thinks
- Engelland is not a core piece so selling him wouldn't make them sellers
- Nashville has woken up
- thinks Flames'll stay the course
- Heard some teams had called about Bennett on Thurs/Fri
- Tre said no not avail
- Knows somebody who knows the Flames org and they're comfortable to do things differently
- Flames say it isn't ominous that they won't sign Tre to extension yet
- But Friedman says it is hard to see it that way because 31 teams don't do that
- Doesn't know the outcome
- Even if flames make playoffs, not 100% convinced Tre will be GM next year
- Doesn't think Tre will make desperate stupid moves at deadline to save his job
- Pinder follows up and says that the pressure may force Tre to make desperate moves, Fried responds by saying that's not how he operated in Arizona
- panic trade hurts Tre's future, won't do that, hurt chances of new job if necessary
- Doesn't think Maloney is angling for job if Flames don't sign Tre
- Boomer brings up meddling ownership but makes it clear he's just repeating other peoples' rumours and that he doesn't believe them but notes that the meddling thing will only get more attention
- Friedman says "I realized this because other guys were saying to me "whats going on there?"'
- Says it is a "bad look" referring to Tre not having a contract
- Lots of people would say Flames have a good looking roster, wouldn't have trouble finding a GM

Absolutely nothing in there that implies that he thinks Tre is gone for sure. He seemed most critical of the fact that the Flames are bucking the trend of never leaving a guy unsigned.

He's just reporting that it isn't a done deal even if flames make playoffs and that the Flames holding off is a bit odd compared the rest of the league.

No idea how anyone got "Elliot Friedman believes Treliving won't be back next season" out of that.

Treliving enlisted the help of one of the best hockey media personalities to put pressure on Flames ownership to get Treliving's contract done now, and for a larger price. That's all.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Wow, it's even worse than the headline.

LOL. Only if you want to use it to reinforce preconceived notions of ownership meddling.

Frankly though, I find the whole contract thing idiotic. Most players don't act like whiny losers when they don't get an early extension, why would it be ok for coaches/GMs?

We don't even know if Treliving is upset about it. The whole interview was predicated on a source outside the organization thinking it is weird the way the Flames have not signed/fired him yet.

His source could be Peter Chiarelli. Or Wisebrod. Or Feaster. Would anyone give a crap if that's who was saying it is weird of the Flames to operate this way?

I find it hard to believe that the Flames haven't talked to Tre about this. You really think he has no idea what his mandate is? Maybe they sat him down 6 months ago and said they wouldn't talk extension during the season and he was totally fine with it. Why do we care if someone outside the organization is making a stink about it?