01-13-2017, 01:26 PM
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#41
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Scoring Winger
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Rural AB
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Elliott goes first. It just isn't working. I don't think the team plays the same when they're down a goal or two when he's in net vs. Johnson.
Give Johnson the #1 spot and find a back-up to be back-up.
I would pick Engelland as my 2nd choice. He's been very solid and is probably at the top of his game right now. He's not a core piece for the future and he could get a decent return.
No one will want to trade beans for Wideman. He consistently shows he's not a solid defenceman any more.
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01-13-2017, 01:29 PM
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#42
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rollin22x
Elliott goes first. It just isn't working. I don't think the team plays the same when they're down a goal or two when he's in net vs. Johnson.
Give Johnson the #1 spot and find a back-up to be back-up.
I would pick Engelland as my 2nd choice. He's been very solid and is probably at the top of his game right now. He's not a core piece for the future and he could get a decent return.
No one will want to trade beans for Wideman. He consistently shows he's not a solid defenceman any more.
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But don't you have your back up in Elliott. Based on your assesment, and I agree, why would the Flames move him, just to go out and find another back up. He's not going to generate much return at this point, and aren't you just going to turn around give up whatever he returns you to get another back up?
It be the equivalent of a card shuffle to end up at the exact same spot, only the names have changed. If the Flames are sellers, then yes have at it, if they look like they are going to make it, we can do much worse than Elliott as back up going into the playoff push.
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01-13-2017, 01:29 PM
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#43
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Lifetime Suspension
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Flash Walken
Engelland for 2x2nd round picks
Elliot for a 2nd and conditional 3rd
Versteeg for a 3rd
Backlund for a 1st and a 3rd
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Someone's stuck in 2014.
Let's trade Backlund's 10 years of development for the shot to hopefully develop another player of Backlund's ilk 10 years from now!
Flames are in a playoff race, bro. Unless you're implying that they're out of it in a few weeks?
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01-13-2017, 01:30 PM
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#44
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Flash Walken
Engelland for 2x2nd round picks
Elliot for a 2nd and conditional 3rd
Versteeg for a 3rd
Backlund for a 1st and a 3rd
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Why in the world would we do this?
Why would the Flames be willing to sign Brouwer to his contract, but then refuse to pay Backlund, who is one of the best defensive forwards in the league, who loves playing in Calgary, fair value?
And then trade him for a late 1st and a 3rd?
Backlund is by far our best centre.
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01-13-2017, 01:33 PM
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#45
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Franchise Player
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I'm also not sure why we'd trade Elliott.
We're certainly not getting anything close to what we gave up for him (2nd +), so the value in return isn't significant. And while he has still been inconsistent for us, I don't know if we can truly trust in Johnson without a capable 1B going forward.
If we're trying to at least compete for the playoffs, the return we'd get for Elliott wouldn't make it worth it.
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01-13-2017, 01:34 PM
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#46
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First round-bust
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: speculating about AHL players
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jroc
Isn't he RFA so it doesn't matter?
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The Flames need to meet the expansion draft requirements and expose a defenseman signed after this year who has played x number of games over the last 2(?) years.
Kevin fits the bill. Only guy who the Flames have who does. It's why they signed Tom McCollum.
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01-13-2017, 01:34 PM
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#47
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainYooh
Again, while I appreciate the notion, this is not about who should be or should not be traded; there is a trade speculation thread for discussing that. This is only for your prediction about who do you think WILL be traded first and why.
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You classified them as "in the mix" in your original post, and three pages later, all those irritating Backlund/Bennett trade arguments that have died down in the past day or 2 have erupted again.
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01-13-2017, 01:34 PM
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#48
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Corral
That is an understatement.
Trading Backlund now would be a serious blow to morale amongst other things. While asset management is crucial, you do have to keep the talent you've developed.
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If Backlund continues to be the teams top two-way center and a top 3 or 4 scorer on the team he's going to get paid handsomely.
Backlund's play will probably price him out of Calgary, 21-23 year olds will not be traded to make room for him.
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01-13-2017, 01:39 PM
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#49
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First Line Centre
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The Flames were rotating Hathaway, Hamilton, Ferland, and Bouma in the forward group with a Brouwer injury. They are also switching between calling up Kulak and Wotherspoon, in which neither play any games. The current roster is congested. I can't see them buying anyone, unless it involves a package of players for one single player, but let's be honest, every team has their share of Kulak's, Wotherspoon's, Hathaway's, and Hamilton's.
Like someone said, I wouldn't be surprised if the Flames do nothing.
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01-13-2017, 01:40 PM
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#50
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Flames fan in Seattle
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Your top 5 core should be a top 6 core.
Just because Bennett is going through a rough patch like all young players do, doesn't mean he should be left off the core. That is plain silly.
Young Core = Brodie, Hamilton, Tkachuk, Monahan, Bennett, Gaudreau
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01-13-2017, 01:41 PM
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#51
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ashasx
Why in the world would we do this?..
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Could be lots of reasons. His asking price could be too high. He might want to play elsewhere. He might decide to go on the market and see what else is out there for him...
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ashasx
I'm also not sure why we'd trade Elliott...
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Flames might be in the hunt for Bishop or Fleury. I am not saying they are; but that could be another reason why Elliott could go first.
So, who do you think will be traded first?
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01-13-2017, 01:46 PM
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#52
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Lifetime Suspension
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They'll be able to lock up both Bennett and Backlund. Backs loves YYC and I don't see him pricing himself millions out of Calgary's range, setting himself up to potentially have to move after being with the org for a decade. Brad will have to do some shuffling. Someone may have to go, but I'm confident this is a useless conversation to have.
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01-13-2017, 01:47 PM
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#53
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: SW Ontario
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Jesus this thread makes my head hurt already. Let's trade Bennett and Backlund? Wtf are some of you thinking?
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01-13-2017, 01:50 PM
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#54
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dissentowner
Jesus this thread makes my head hurt already. Let's trade Bennett and Backlund? Wtf are some of you thinking?
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"Let's" said noone ever in this thread. Who said :"Let's"?
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01-13-2017, 01:55 PM
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#55
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: St. George's, Grenada
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I'll say we see Engelland moved around Valentines day, with Wideman and Versteeg moved on or around the deadline.
Not sure there's much interest in Bouma, unless it's something like the David Jones trade
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01-13-2017, 01:56 PM
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#56
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In the Sin Bin
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Wideman and Bouma make some sense to me to move. Not sure about the rest
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01-13-2017, 02:09 PM
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#57
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Flames fan in Seattle
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I just spent 10 mins trying to make an acronym with Top 6 core but the best I could come up with was: GAMBBETH
(Gaudreau/Monahan/Brodie/Bennett/Tkachuk/Hamilton)
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01-13-2017, 02:14 PM
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#58
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Our Jessica Fletcher
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I actually don't think we trade any roster players away this year. None of Elliott, Wideman, or Bouma will return anything of value, and if we're in a playoff race... we should probably keep them anyway.
Engellend would return more than any of those 3, but same thing... we need him if we're in a playoff race, and his physical presence is important should this team make the playoffs.
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01-13-2017, 02:16 PM
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#59
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Elliott will be traded back to the Blues... you just wait!
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01-13-2017, 02:17 PM
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#60
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Nostradamus
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: London Ont.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Vinny01
Hanzal gets more than a 4th or 3rd round pick IMO.
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You're probably right, let's got with a 2nd for Hanzal or a 4th up to a conditional 3rd for Iginla
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