Terrorist attack in Berlin

[devo22]

A truck ran into a Christmas market Monday evening in a major public square in Berlin, injuring multiple people, police said.

A police spokesman described it as a "severe incident."

Witness Emma Rushton tweeted: "People crushed. I am safe. I am safe."

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/12/19/eu...uck/index.html

Eerily similar to the events in France a few months ago. According to German media, at least 9 people have been killed.

[Ozy_Flame]

Also a shooting near an Islamic Centre in Zurich today, three wounded. Details emerging.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-sw...KBN1481X0?il=0

[devo22]

The suspected driver of the truck has been caught, according to the German police.

[FlamesAddiction]

At least 9 dead and 50 injured. Plus many still trapped.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...market-berlin/

[Duruss]

Originally Posted by devo22

The suspected driver of the truck has been caught, according to the German police.

Well thats good, the german police are notoriously determined and good from what I've heard.

[Ducay]

12 dead thus far. Add in the Russian ambassador that was murdered during a press conference at an art gallery, and you've got a pretty terrible day. Radical Islamic terrorism needs to be stopped dead in its tracks.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Ducay

12 dead thus far. Add in the Russian ambassador that was murdered during a press conference at an art gallery, and you've got a pretty terrible day. Radical Islamic terrorism needs to be stopped dead in its tracks.

How do you stop a religious ideaoligy with millions of followers?

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

How do you stop a religious ideaoligy with millions of followers?

Have aliens come down and tell us we're stone age beings with no understanding of the reality of the universe. That's probably more likely to happen than have billions of people give up faith.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

How do you stop a religious ideaoligy with millions of followers?

The Russian plan was unique. In Afghanistan they took as many children as they could and sent them to Russia for education and exterminated the parents.

I would think that the only way that your going to beat extremism is to remove the influence of the crazies by getting the children away from them.

Then kill everyone over the age of 20.

[sixpacked]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

How do you stop a religious ideaoligy with millions of followers?

Im pretty sure he is was just referring to those who take it to an extreme. He said "radical terrorism" not the entire religion itself.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

The Russian plan was unique. In Afghanistan they took as many children as they could and sent them to Russia for education and exterminated the parents.

I would think that the only way that your going to beat extremism is to remove the influence of the crazies by getting the children away from them.

Then kill everyone over the age of 20.

This plan had excellent results in Canada.

[CaptainCrunch]

Yeah, i didn't say that it would work

But at the same time in such an extreme plan there is always a small warm nugget of logic. If you can give people a proper education and not have the lunatics involved in that education you'll eventually make people question the more extreme elements of that religion.

And don't trust people over 20 kids.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by sixpacked

Im pretty sure he is was just referring to those who take it to an extreme. He said "radical terrorism" not the entire religion itself.

I wasn't talking about the entire Muslim religion but rather a particular sec of Islam that supports radical terrorism, even the ultra crazy ISIS has 60 million supporters.

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybens...-isis-n2178289

And many many more support other hardline religious terrorist groups views such as al qaeda and the Taliban. some experts and polls say up to 30% of Muslims truly believe in some form of "radical terrorism" if it means saving their faith.

If those numbers are even close to fact we're talking upward of 450 million people.

Back on topic- the police are hunting a Tunisian man they believe responsible for this attack.

[EldrickOnIce]

They shot and killed this terrorist.
The telling part of this story, again, is that he is known to authorities, is on no fly and terror watch lists, and still manages this.
Freedom isn't free

Berlin market suspect killed in Milan
https://news.google.com/news/amp?cau...5-8171f08bd568

[CaptainCrunch]

first of all in a way its too bad, it would have been nice to have gotten him alive so they could ring as much information out of him as possible.

Second of all, we always talk about these suspects being on watch lists and no fly lists and why didn't we pick them up. But outside of moving to a complete police state where you can just snatch people off of the street KGB style its an impossible task. I'm sure in the European nations there are literally hundreds of people on these lists and you can't watch them all the time. I know in Canada that the watch list is very large.

On top of that the new face of ISIS style terrorism differs from the old style. We're not talking about cells meeting in dank basements and planning and buying explosives or guns. We're literally talking about individuals who have been talking on the internet who merely decide that its time and go out and take a knife or find a truck. You look at it today alone. In Australia they arrested 5 people who were looking at a Christmas day attack. There were two arrested in Germany for plotting an attack on a mall. Just being on a watch list isn't grounds for an immediate arrest and the police don't have the resources to check up on everything.

the only way to change that is to seriously change civil liberty laws and pump billions into police budgets and a federal, state and municipal level.

[CliffFletcher]

Interesting that this guy was caught in a standard search on the street in Milan. Were they stopping everybody? Random people? Or people who fit a profile?

If it's the latter, it raises some challenging questions about civil liberties. Can you continue to prohibit profiled stop and search in some countries, when you know that it decreases the likelihood of catching mass-murderers?

[CaptainCrunch]

Maybe he was tracked by Camera, aren't most European nations pretty camera heavy now?