I remember people calling me a monahan hater for pointing out my fears of us giving him a big contract based on 3 years of unsustainable goal scoring. Tap ins.
I think it was gojetsgo who got the most upset about my suggestion of bridging monahan and splitting him and johnny up to see what sean can do alone.
The monahan contract and the giordano contract killed our rebuild. Along with a few other smaller signings that didnt need to happen.
I hope the kid comes good but ever since i saw the highlights AC made for monahan ive always viewed him as an incredibly overrated soft center with poor skating and just a good wrister from the slot.
Meh whatever. I just have this "I TOLD YOU SO" feeling. Even got into a fight on air with pat steinberg over monahan and my opinion that he is vastly overrated and relies on others for offense.
The "tap ins" argument has always bothered me. In today's NHL the ability to put yourself in a good scoring position and, more importantly, keep your stick free is a legitimate skill. Defenseman are so good at tying up opponents' sticks and getting body position on them. That's why so many passes get thrown through the slot without a single player getting a stick on them.
Another argument I've seen in this thread is Monahan holds on to the puck too long. Until this season he was constantly being praised for his patience with the puck. He was willing to hold onto the puck in high traffic areas for the extra second or two until a quality chance became available. Ice water in his veins.
I also think too many people equate emotion to effort. Have you seen a Sean Monahan interview? There's a reason the boring Sean Monahan account was so popular. The fact that he's not showing visible emotion does not mean he isn't putting effort in.
Clearly we can all agree Monahan is struggling this season. The decision making is off. Poor passing. Not going to the areas where he's had success in the past. I don't know what the problem is, but I think it's something he's going to have to work through on the ice.
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You make some good points. Tap ins take skill. Positioning. Awareness. Release. Anticipation.
But you cant generate tap ins. You just finish. He is a great finisher. One of the best young players in thay respect.
I dont equate attitude and demeanor with effort. I think he tries hard but is just soft. He has a lot of effort. Just no physicality. His skating is rubbish to below average for a top line center.
I think he is a good player at 4ish million. A great player at 3ish million on a bridge. But just under 7 million is serious dough for a soft center with poor skating and no dynamic skills.
I say this as someone who loves Monahan. He was the only reason to watch our team in rebuild year one. I screamed for each of his goals. I think he is a good kid. But he is overpaid and overrated by our organization and fan base. He really made a lot of people think he was some dynamic scoring 2 way first line center. I think he is a 2nd liner on a contender. He is great at a few things but i feel his inflated 1st line offensive zone start PP rookie and sophmore seasons made people believe he is on his way to being a superstar first line center. I never saw that.
Maybe Monahan is very close to his ceiling. May get a bit better at skating. May get better with his hands. May play a bit more physical. But i remember people making toews comparisons..and when i told them its insulting to toews they would get upset and claim since monahan scored 30 goals he is not only a bonafide 1st line center but an elite young center in the league.
I really pray i am wrong. I love this team and we need him to develop into a star. But i think what we see is what we will get for the next several seasons. A docile soft player with poor skating and a low compete level, who relies on his line mates to create chances, and specializes in finishing them. I dont think he finishes good enough to command his salary and that is basically all he is paid to do. Win faceoffs, get to the slot and get shots off.
I hope i am wrong and he scores 40 a year for the next decade, gets quicker and adds some mean to his game. But i dont see it happening.
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I remember people calling me a monahan hater for pointing out my fears of us giving him a big contract based on 3 years of unsustainable goal scoring. Tap ins.
I think it was gojetsgo who got the most upset about my suggestion of bridging monahan and splitting him and johnny up to see what sean can do alone.
The monahan contract and the giordano contract killed our rebuild. Along with a few other smaller signings that didnt need to happen.
I hope the kid comes good but ever since i saw the highlights AC made for monahan ive always viewed him as an incredibly overrated soft center with poor skating and just a good wrister from the slot.
Meh whatever. I just have this "I TOLD YOU SO" feeling. Even got into a fight on air with pat steinberg over monahan and my opinion that he is vastly overrated and relies on others for offense.
The bolded makes no sense. I'd say it's pretty sustainable after 3 years.
Also Monahan scored 22 goals one year without Gaudreau.
I swear some of you guys live in a different reality than I do. It's a bad start to the season. Step back from the ledge. Mony will be fine.
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Sure, however as soon as he signed his next contract ~ $6m per season.
Expectations have changed.
Which is the reality of his status with the team.
I would bet, its partially why the player is struggling.
However, benching is not the answer in my view.
He will work out of this funk.
Expectations changed for whom? The guy scored 22 goals and 34 pts in his rookie season and 31 and 62 pts the next. Last season, 27 goals and 62 pts.
He's likely going to average between 55-65 pts per season while continuing to develop his game.
Key word, Develop. He's 22 years old. For what he's already done is pretty damn impressive.
Rather than people expecting more, perhaps they should appreciate what he's capable of.
As for $6m/season, can you tell me what team wouldn't give him that deal?
Edit: also, given a re-draft, its down to McKinnon and Monahan, two very different players for very different reasons.
McKinnon is super flashy and quite the beauty in his own right, but no one will ever accuse McKinninon being a defensive dynamo, with Monahan, that's how he projects..
The irony is, Monahan still has more points of the two in their careers.
By the team, Monahan is the 2nd highest paid forward on the team.
With that is increased expectations.
If Monny can be accused of anything, it's over achieving this early in his career, but he likely hasn't.
He has already shown he has boat loads of talent as well has shown what he can do by himself and with certain players.
Currently, he looks like a guy who is either a) still labouring a bit from a back injury, b) a player who missed training camp and is having a tough time getting back to 100% game speed, c) focusing on different aspects of his gametophyte become a more rounded player, d) another player on the team trying to learn a new, somewhat confusing system or... just maybe... all of the above.
None of this has to do with money.
If you want him traded, that's your choice. If you want him benched that's fine as well.
But you can't for a second say he's overpaid in today's NHL as you look at his comparables and he's at the top of them.
You equally can not say he is underachieving and not meeting expectations as he has done everything we could have hoped for and more.
He's earned a bit of slack. He certainly does not deserve this much flack. It's embarrassing.
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If Monny can be accused of anything, it's over achieving this early in his career, but he likely hasn't.
He has already shown he has boat loads of talent as well has shown what he can do by himself and with certain players.
Currently, he looks like a guy who is either a) still labouring a bit from a back injury, b) a player who missed training camp and is having a tough time getting back to 100% game speed, c) focusing on different aspects of his gametophyte become a more rounded player, d) another player on the team trying to learn a new, somewhat confusing system or... just maybe... all of the above.
None of this has to do with money.
If you want him traded, that's your choice. If you want him benched that's fine as well.
But you can't for a second say he's overpaid in today's NHL as you look at his comparables and he's at the top of them.
You equally can not say he is underachieving and not meeting expectations as he has done everything we could have hoped for and more.
He's earned a bit of slack. He certainly does not deserve this much flack. It's embarrassing.
Not sure who is pushing for the player to be traded or what ever seems silly.
He is paid to be a 1st line player, with that is increased expectations.
Coaches are clearly isolating him (i.e. Backlund takes the tough match ups)
Did he over perform in his first 3 years, sure hope not.
Do the Flames require more from the player.... In my opinion the answer to that is for sure more is required.
Coaches are working with the player, in my view they will solve the issue.
If the Flames have any chance to push for a playoff. He has to improve
(same thing early on with Brodie, Giordano, D Hamilton and Guadreau).
McKinnon is super flashy and quite the beauty in his own right, but no one will ever accuse McKinninon being a defensive dynamo, with Monahan, that's how he projects..
Monahan projects to be a defensive dynamo? We have a young goalscoring sniper of a center who isnt able to generate his own opportunities or shots. He has a decent 2 way game but he doesnt project to be some defensive dynamo at all. I wouldnt even call him a good defensive player. He projects to be a 40 goal guy if you pair him with some playmaking linemates.
Why does he have to turn into Kopitar, Bergeron or Toews. Why cant he just be a scoring center whos skating isnt good, doesnt use his size, but has terrific instincts offensively and knows where to go, always has his stick on the ice, deadly shot from between the circles, goes to the front of the net, etc. He is a very good young trigger man type of center and is a very natural goal scorer.
I think he should be considered a sniper and PP guy. Those are his strengths. Who knows maybe one day he can develop into a playmaker or defensive dynamo, but he doesnt rack up the assists, nor is he a strong defender so it is strange to project him as a defensive guy.
You make some good points. Tap ins take skill. Positioning. Awareness. Release. Anticipation.
But you cant generate tap ins. You just finish. He is a great finisher. One of the best young players in thay respect.
I dont equate attitude and demeanor with effort. I think he tries hard but is just soft. He has a lot of effort. Just no physicality. His skating is rubbish to below average for a top line center.
I think he is a good player at 4ish million. A great player at 3ish million on a bridge. But just under 7 million is serious dough for a soft center with poor skating and no dynamic skills.
I say this as someone who loves Monahan. He was the only reason to watch our team in rebuild year one. I screamed for each of his goals. I think he is a good kid. But he is overpaid and overrated by our organization and fan base. He really made a lot of people think he was some dynamic scoring 2 way first line center. I think he is a 2nd liner on a contender. He is great at a few things but i feel his inflated 1st line offensive zone start PP rookie and sophmore seasons made people believe he is on his way to being a superstar first line center. I never saw that.
Maybe Monahan is very close to his ceiling. May get a bit better at skating. May get better with his hands. May play a bit more physical. But i remember people making toews comparisons..and when i told them its insulting to toews they would get upset and claim since monahan scored 30 goals he is not only a bonafide 1st line center but an elite young center in the league.
I really pray i am wrong. I love this team and we need him to develop into a star. But i think what we see is what we will get for the next several seasons. A docile soft player with poor skating and a low compete level, who relies on his line mates to create chances, and specializes in finishing them. I dont think he finishes good enough to command his salary and that is basically all he is paid to do. Win faceoffs, get to the slot and get shots off.
I hope i am wrong and he scores 40 a year for the next decade, gets quicker and adds some mean to his game. But i dont see it happening.
You're telling me you've never seen a player generate a play that led to his own tap in goal? I think they're called 2-on-1s
The biggest problem I have had with Monahan is the fact that he doesn't produce a lot of scoring chances for himself or his line mates. For a scoring forward who is being paid in the upper echelon of NHL salaries, this should be a requirement. Players go through scoring slumps all the time, but are at least still dangerous offensively.
We haven't seen that from Monahan at all this season, he's been borderline invisible. You look at other comparable young centers i.e. Scheifele, Galchenyuk, Mackinnon, Barkov, Seguin and these guys are drivers of offensive for their respective lines. I'm not seeing that from Monahan this season or much from him through his career and that's concerning to me. He's always been very opportunistic with his chances, but getting those chances will be his problem going forward and with his current price tag, it's fair criticism.
There was a play last night where his winger's drive hit someone and sat perfect for Monahan, trailing alone in the slot.
He basically flubbed the shot, took a wide turn into the corner and then glided to the bench.
The opportunity used to be a sure goal for Monahan, he's always been money from a spot like that. But what's most concerning is the urgency after the miss. He's not the same player at all right now.
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What strikes me as odd is everyone was spitting this tune about Backlund in a similar capacity 3-4 years ago and even some touted him as fleeing to the KHL by 2016.
While Sean hasn't been playing the best clearly lets not forget he's still very young and still the highlight of his draft year. Sure having him sit in the pressbox may help but let's not chastise him out of the city, I still believe he's one of our best young centers and soon hope he finds his game again.
I'm surprised that this is a thread, yet no one is complaining about not benching Chiasson. Chiasson is a waste of a roster spot, when Janko is sitting tonight.
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I'm surprised that this is a thread, yet no one is complaining about not benching Chiasson. Chiasson is a waste of a roster spot, when Janko is sitting tonight.
