Yeah, that might be fair. Stuff like this is why I try as hard as possible to avoid direct player-to-player comparisons. They're always wrong in some way and people will nitpick them to death. Honestly can't recall what Bure was like in the corners, probably because for him it never mattered.
Probably biased too, Pavel Bure might be my favourite non-Flames player ever. A true take-you-out-of-your-seat with excitement hockey star. One of if not the best goal scorers of any generation. Guy once scored 59 goals for the Panthers while the next highest player had 14.. a 45 goal gap. Insanity.
Just didn't have the knees to sustain.
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Yeah, that might be fair. Stuff like this is why I try as hard as possible to avoid direct player-to-player comparisons. They're always wrong in some way and people will nitpick them to death. Honestly can't recall what Bure was like in the corners, probably because for him it never mattered.
Probably biased too, Pavel Bure might be my favourite non-Flames player ever. A true take-you-out-of-your-seat with excitement hockey star. One of if not the best goal scorers of any generation. Guy once scored 59 goals for the Panthers while the next highest player had 14.. a 45 goal gap. Insanity.
Just didn't have the knees to sustain.
He had the skating style where his ankles would bend inward and his strides were crescent shaped. It's how he was so fast in the first few strides.
A lot of what you said relates to the Oilers. Mcdavids going to lead his team by a wide margin with similar goals to Bure (stylewise), catch the opposition flat footed in the neutral zone, quick lateral move to odd man rush/breakaway. Very similar get you out of your seat high speed goals, the one good player on a god awful team.
Wait, what the hell? Bure didn't dominate in the corners? I mean the guy wasn't Keith Primeau along the wall or anything, but he was pretty damned tough. Forget the hit on Leetch in this clip, look at what he does to Tikkanen. That's pretty standard for him.
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He'll never be as good as Crosby. Mcdavid is like Pavel Bure 2.0. Super fast first few strides but he will never have the puck control and strength in the corners that Crosby has.
In interviews about who is the hardest to get off the puck players nearly unanimously say Crosby because of his tree trunk legs. Mcdavid can't keep up his pace as he's currently carrying the team. He'll inevitably start to fade as he's not built like Iginla or Crosby to carry the team on his back for 82 games.
I think McDavid will end up a more prolific scorer than Crosby. I don't think he will have as rounded a game but he's a better skater as his acceleration is unmatched and he's going to get more scoring opportunities over his career due to all the breakaways and odd man rushes he will be generating. Oh and as much as I like Iginla he's not in the conversation.
As long as he never loses a step from an injury going mach 3 into the boards he will be an effective player for another decade. There is the Oilers develop clause. He may lose the will to play effective hockey before the decade is up.
I think McDavid will end up a more prolific scorer than Crosby. I don't think he will have as rounded a game but he's a better skater as his acceleration is unmatched and he's going to get more scoring opportunities over his career due to all the breakaways and odd man rushes he will be generating. Oh and as much as I like Iginla he's not in the conversation.
So...yeah. A step below Crosby.
Which is pretty much all anyone here has been saying.
There is no shame in being a step below Sidney Crosby. He is, in my opinion, the greatest hockey player ever.
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Wait, what the hell? Bure didn't dominate in the corners? I mean the guy wasn't Keith Primeau along the wall or anything, but he was pretty damned tough. Forget the hit on Leetch in this clip, look at what he does to Tikkanen. That's pretty standard for him.
Of course someone in the middle of that clip was "hit from behind by Kevin Lowe". He was such a dirty back-stabber.
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Of course someone in the middle of that clip was "hit from behind by Kevin Lowe". He was such a dirty back-stabber.
It was also the mid 90's playoffs. On a team led by Mark Messier. Hell, if not for the Rangers taking cheap shots, there wouldn't have been the "he'll play on crutches" call. And even they were far tamer than the Claude Lemieux Devils the following year, that guy was human garbage. The dead puck era was a good time to be a dirty player.
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My vote goes for Lemieux. He was pretty much everything a fan wants in a player, especially these days. Orr a close 2nd.
Everyone is going to have a different candidate, I think Crosby is the whole package, my actual favourite player is Toews, but looking at the statistics Crosby has put up, considering the state of hockey now is unreal.
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No Bure isn't a perfect analogy because of his uniqueness but I think they have similar skillsets. High level acceleration and a good lateral deke in the neutral zone. Don't remember many players that can get away from the defenders as effectively as those two guys.
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It was also the mid 90's playoffs. On a team led by Mark Messier. Hell, if not for the Rangers taking cheap shots, there wouldn't have been the "he'll play on crutches" call. And even they were far tamer than the Claude Lemieux Devils the following year, that guy was human garbage. The dead puck era was a good time to be a dirty player.
You forgot the dirtiest player of all in the dirtiest decade of hockey. The headshot king Scott Stevens. He laid out dozens of concussions, thank god that era is over.
Now we have the handslash era which is less brutal but very annoying.
I'm pretty confident that Mario Lemieux would have been pushing "best player in the game" if he had a full career.
Even without one he was IMO probably the most talented as far as all around offensive abilities. He could score almost at will, in any style you liked.
And I'm certain we wouldn't even be debating "best player in the game" if Orr had a full career.
I've always thought that longevity is under rated in 'best player in the game' discussions. Orr loses points because he couldn't stay healthy in my opinion, he doesn't get extra credit for what might have been.
I'm pretty confident that Mario Lemieux would have been pushing "best player in the game" if he had a full career.
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My vote goes for Lemieux. He was pretty much everything a fan wants in a player, especially these days. Orr a close 2nd.
Had Lemieux had a full healthy career I have no doubts he would have a number of Gretzky's records. In 92-93 based on PPG he also would have the single season scoring record with 218, eclipsing Gretzky by 3 points. In his prime years (discounting seasons where he played less than 30 games) he was putting up 2.03 PPG. So 10 years at 75 games per year (same games per year Gretzky had over his career) at 2.03 PPG works out to 1515 points. In the twilight of his career (again excluding seasons where he played less than 30 games) he was putting up 1.57 PPG. So 5 years at 75 games per year at 1.57 PPG is 589 points. For the middle 6 years, say he split the difference between 2.02 and 1.57 which is 1.80 PPG (which is probably still way overestimating his regression with age, he would've been only 28). So 6 years at 75 games per year at 1.80 PPG is 810 points. 1515 + 810 + 589 = 2914. Again, assuming he played 21 total seasons just like Gretzky. To me Lemieux is the GOAT.
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