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icarus · 10-19-2006, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyFlame

I could really care less about all the holier than thou types who say let them have their day in court. If they are guilty and somebody whacks them then good riddance to garbage.

But if they are not guilty, as the new article here seems to indicate, well... then that's problematic, isn't it? That is why the presumption of innocence exists.

I guess we all better hope that no one falsely accuses any of us of molestation, because we might get whacked before we can clear our names.

MarchHare · 10-19-2006, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyFlame

I could really care less about all the holier than thou types who say let them have their day in court. If they are guilty and somebody whacks them then good riddance to garbage.

I'd personally like to see justice be a whole, whole lot swifter.

And if the guy needs some cash for his defense I'd be glad to contribute.

We bend over backwards for these pieces of dung way too much!!!

God help you if you're ever wrongfully accused of a crime.

jolinar of malkshor · 10-19-2006, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyFlame

I could really care less about all the holier than thou types who say let them have their day in court. If they are guilty and somebody whacks them then good riddance to garbage.

I'd personally like to see justice be a whole, whole lot swifter.

And if the guy needs some cash for his defense I'd be glad to contribute.

We bend over backwards for these pieces of dung way too much!!!

Very interesting how people are willing to contribute money to some mans defence after he killed another person with nothing more than an article. Even if the guy actually did it (and I am not saying he didn't) you must leave it up to the court system. Where would it stop? Even if he was guilty he wouldn't be put to death so how are you able to say he deserves it? If the public wanted the death penalty they would have at or make it happen.

JohnnyFlame · 10-19-2006, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

Very interesting how people are willing to contribute money to some mans defence after he killed another person with nothing more than an article. Even if the guy actually did it (and I am not saying he didn't) you must leave it up to the court system. Where would it stop? Even if he was guilty he wouldn't be put to death so how are you able to say he deserves it? If the public wanted the death penalty they would have at or make it happen.

That's why I said "IF they are guilty" then whack them.

Reaper · 10-20-2006, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by MarchHare

Sure he was highly enraged...but that doesn't excuse his actions at all. If a man comes home and finds his wife in bed with another man and then kills them both, he doesn't get away with murder because he "acted rashly". He doesn't get off for "temporary insanity".

The way that he would be acquitted would be the "crime of passion" defense and a sympathetic jury. It is actually a fairly common defense in murder cases involving a spouse and his/her extramarital affair.

Reaper · 10-20-2006, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by fotze

Yes but this guy didn't do it so his family should go chop the wife's head off and sautee it in a omlette pan.

I'd go with a chicken fryer pan. Less chance of the head rolling out of the pan and dirtying up a nice clean stove.

jolinar of malkshor · 10-20-2006, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Reaper

The way that he would be acquitted would be the "crime of passion" defense and a sympathetic jury. It is actually a fairly common defense in murder cases involving a spouse and his/her extramarital affair.

He might not be convicted of first degree murder but he would still be convicted of 2nd degree murder.

Jayems · 10-20-2006, 12:29 PM

Maybe saying his kid was molested was just a cover for what really happened.

MarchHare · 10-20-2006, 12:59 PM

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The way that he would be acquitted would be the "crime of passion" defense and a sympathetic jury. It is actually a fairly common defense in murder cases involving a spouse and his/her extramarital affair.

Crimes of passion such as the situation described in my previous post are still classified as murder (oftentimes second degree, as noted by jolinar above). Really, there's no difference between a man discovering his wife is having an affair and then going into a murderous rage and a man discovering his child has been abused and then going into a murderous rage. In both cases, they acted completely outside of the law, no matter how sympathetic to their cause we might be.

Pokerface · 10-20-2006, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Jayems

Guy apparently molests a 2 year old girl, the father (a lawyer) goes ballistic when he finds out, breaks into the skinners bedroom window and stabs the guy to death.

Understandable if true.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/08/30/ne....ap/index.html

Good for him, the guy doesn't deserve to live if he's going to take advantage of innocent kids that way. I hope the Lawyer doesn't get too harsh of a penalty.

ken0042 · 10-20-2006, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Flames Fan 12

Good for him, the guy doesn't deserve to live if he's going to take advantage of innocent kids that way. I hoope the Lawyer doesn't get too harsh of a penalty.

Um, you might want to read the rest of the thread before posting. You will see that the person who was killed ended up not being guilty.

jolinar of malkshor · 10-20-2006, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Flames Fan 12

Good for him, the guy doesn't deserve to live if he's going to take advantage of innocent kids that way. I hoope the Lawyer doesn't get too harsh of a penalty.

Do much for due process. It's one thing to kill the guy after he has had a fair trial. (which IMO is still wrong). But to say "he deserves it"....without any kind of a trial....my god.

Pokerface · 10-20-2006, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ken0042

Um, you might want to read the rest of the thread before posting. You will see that the person who was killed ended up not being guilty.

sorry I just read the first part and just got disgusted, I replied on impulse. I'm actually reading the rest as we speak.

Pokerface · 10-20-2006, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

Do much for due process. It's one thing to kill the guy after he has had a fair trial. (which IMO is still wrong). But to say "he deserves it"....without any kind of a trial....my god.

I'm just saying if the guy did it, trial or not, he's a sick human being and I wouldn't want him around. For me when an adult commits a harsh act and violates the rights against a child like that they give up their rights, and therefore deserve what comes their way. I think he deserves death over a jail cell. IMO

jolinar of malkshor · 10-20-2006, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Flames Fan 12

I'm just saying if the guy did it, trial or not, he's a sick human being and I wouldn't want him around. For me when an adult commits a harsh act and violates the rights against a child like that they give up their rights, and therefore deserve what comes their way. I think he deserves death over a jail cell. IMO

Ok.

I would agree that kiddy ticklers are sick *******s who don't deserve jack **** and maybe even death....but IMO we do not have the moral authority to give him that.

Pokerface · 10-20-2006, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

Ok.

I would agree that kiddy ticklers are sick *******s who don't deserve jack **** and maybe even death....but IMO we do not have the moral authority to give him that.

No I agree with the idea of "not taking authority into our hands blah blah blah" but if this guy did molest the kid he should not be apart of this world any longer. I realize that I am not the be all end all, judge of all things, but people who molest children should expect nothing less than death when they get caught. Again I think sitting in a jail cell doesn't change you, epescially if your 58 yo.

jolinar of malkshor · 10-20-2006, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Flames Fan 12

No I agree with the idea of "not taking authority into our hands blah blah blah" but if this guy did molest the kid he should not be apart of this world any longer. I realize that I am not the be all end all, judge of all things, but people who molest children should expect nothing less than death when they get caught. Again I think sitting in a jail cell doesn't change you, epescially if your 58 yo.

Your right....sitting in a jail cell will not change them...at any age. These people are hard wired to do what they do. So...ya....get them off the streets for ever.....but there is no political will to do so nor is there a will by civilians...because if there was.....well it would be at the top of our discussions during the next election. It kind of was last election but the Libs are to bleeding heart.

Pokerface · 10-20-2006, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

Your right....sitting in a jail cell will not change them...at any age. These people are hard wired to do what they do. So...ya....get them off the streets for ever.....but there is no political will to do so nor is there a will by civilians...because if there was.....well it would be at the top of our discussions during the next election. It kind of was last election but the Libs are to bleeding heart.

I'm all for Capital Punishment. There are way more perverted and sick people in the world it seems now, we need somthing to threaten them with, not just "we'll put you in a room to jerk off for a few years".

jolinar of malkshor · 10-20-2006, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Flames Fan 12

I'm all for Capital Punishment. There are way more perverted and sick people in the world it seems now, we need somthing to threaten them with, not just "we'll put you in a room to jerk off for a few years".

I don't think threatening them will make them stop doing what they are doing. However, there is no point in arguing Capital Punishment because it is an issue that most people will not change their mind about. Or at least admit that they have changed their mind.

As for more people committing more crimes then before....well I don't think there is a change in the per capita. There is more because we have more people. There are also more being caught (and then being let back out).

MarchHare · 10-20-2006, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Flames Fan 12

I'm all for Capital Punishment. There are way more perverted and sick people in the world it seems now, we need somthing to threaten them with, not just "we'll put you in a room to jerk off for a few years".

Not to derail this thread into a capital punishment debate, but it's been demonstrated numerous times that the death penalty is not a deterrant. It would especially be a very ineffective against child molesters, since they act out of impulse; they're "hard-wired" to do the sick things they do, to repeat jolinar's claim.