[PGT] Flames lose third straight. Canucks 2, Flames 1 (SO)

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Not sure where you're drawing that from.

Yes you do. Our opponents, based on last year's standings: 29th, 29th, 28th, 23rd, 18th.

And no, the Canucks don't have one of the best top lines in the NHL. In 2011 they did. Not now. Not even with Eriksson serving as a definite improvement over last year.

Likewise, the Oilers don't have one of the more potent forward groups in the NHL. Edmonton has consistently had an offence that is in the bottom sixth of the league. And that was before they traded their leading scorer.

Or did you think parroting what the eastern media tells you about these teams was going to be remotely convincing?

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by flames_fan13

He may have had a month with most of the team but during that time he was missing the most important parts of the team. Monahan got only a single preseason game in and Gaudreau was signed two days before the season started.

However, I agree that if we are winless in the first 5 games is unacceptable but in my opinion that will fall on the responsibility of the players. In my opinion it's been mistakes and lack of offensive production from the top 2 lines that have cost us the first three games not really coaching.

Monahan wasn't playing, but he was practicing. And he was in the video room. He has rust as an excuse, but not ignorance of the system. The only important part Gulutzan was missing was Gaudreau. So, again, I do not buy that as an excuse.

[dino7c]

8 goals in 3 games isn't terrible

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Yes you do. Our opponents, based on last year's standings: 29th, 29th, 28th, 23rd, 18th.

And where were we in last year's standings? 26th. Those teams are looking to beat us just as badly as we're looking to beat them.

And no, the Canucks don't have one of the best top lines in the NHL. In 2011 they did. Not now. Not even with Eriksson serving as a definite improvement over last year.

You're being a homer. The Sedins have more points per game the last two seasons (0.829) than Gaudreau and Monahan do (0.823) while having a way better cycle game and defensive game and playing with less offensive defensemen. Adding Eriksson certainly does give them one of the best top lines in the league.

That top line also happened to be team Sweden's top line in a best-on-best. They are still three of the best Swedish forwards in the NHL. Them being old does not stop them from being effective, and they absolutely dominated our top pair and joke of a top line last night. That's not on Gulutzan. That's on the players who got dominated.

Likewise, the Oilers don't have one of the more potent forward groups in the NHL. Edmonton has consistently had an offence that is in the bottom sixth of the league. And that was before they traded their leading scorer.

Please. Take off the homer goggles for once. The Oilers' offense was poor because their defense did not contribute very well. With Russell, Klefbom and Larsson their defense is very average. Their forwards were higher scoring than ours despite less offense from their backend. Their leading scorer was replaced by a 60pt UFA signing, too, while we replaced our third leading scorer(s) with a 40 pt UFA signing.

Or did you think parroting what the eastern media tells you about these teams was going to be remotely convincing?

I don't give a damn about eastern media. I just don't have Flames homer goggles.

[JiriHrdina]

^The rare homer trifecta blast!

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Not sure where you're drawing that from.

The Canucks have one of the best top lines in the NHL, as well as one of the most defensively dominant top pairings in Edler-Tanev. Miller is also a proven strong goaltender who can still channel Vezina form. Whatever they might lack in depth, they have at the top. Tanev is one of the best defensive defensemen in the NHL, period, and that top pair completely stifled Gaudreau-Monahan-Hudler in the playoffs a couple years ago, our top line is not better than it was in 2015.

The Oilers have one of the more potent forward groups in the NHL, as well as their own high-end goaltender in Talbot and their own top defensive defenseman in Larsson. Their center depth with McDavid, Draisaitl, and Hopkins are all good players. Lucic, and Russell are both strong leaders and Klefbom is a good top pair defenseman.

Neither team, healthy, "should" have been a walk through the park. I would have liked to win two of the three regardless, but the NHL has way too much parity to ever expect to win against teams that have goaltending. At best you hope you get the coin flip on a given night.

Canucks have one of the best top lines and Tanev is one of the best defensive defenceman in the NHL?

[heep223]

It's funny, if Gaudreau had buried on one of his chances when it was 1-0 flames that probably would have iced the game, and we'd be talking about how the top line is back and just had some rust to shake out.

Instead we're talking about firing the coach, exposing our captain to an expansion team and a possible new rebuild.

Honestly it's ridiculous. Yes it's not an ideal start but can we wait at least until game 10 or 15 before judging the team and the new coach. I said it before but it's embarrassing. We laugh at Oilers and Canucks fans for this same ####.

[Resolute 14]

lol. Ahh yes. I'm a homer because I disagree with the great GuaranteedEV, who knows what's what because he listens to Nick Kypreos and Doug MacLean on Hockey Central.

1. The Flames placement in the standings last year is irrelevant to my point that our schedule to start this season is incredibly weak.

2. Did you really just pull out career averages to try and justify your vaunted Sedins as still being 2/3rds of one of the the best first lines in the NHL? Really?

Last year: Monahan and Gaudreau: 0.881 ppg. Sedin and Sedin: 0.744.

I'd tell you which pair I expect should do better this year, and into the future, but apparently realizing that players in their late 30s don't get better makes one a homer. Sufficed to say, and I hate repeating myself: It isn't 2011 anymore.

BTW, the twins also ranked behind the top offensive pairings of the Sharks, Ducks and Kings in the Pacific Division alone. Or am I a homer for pointing this out too?

3. As far as the Oilers go, you are relying on wishful thinking about what Edmonton will do rather than looking at history. If you want to *hope* that your Oilers improve overall because of Larsson and Russell, that's fine. But no, the Oilers have not yet earned the benefit of that doubt. They have not, at any point in this rebuild, displayed what could be called even an average offence, let alone "high powered".


You try to buttress your argument by relying on the past with Vancouver and the future with the Oilers. In the end, your arguments are as flimsy as a wet napkin. Do better, son.

[Ashasx]

this forum is really upset

[Resolute 14]

BTW, GranteedEV, I only realized just now that your handle actually isn't "guaranteedEV". That only took eight years! lol

[Da_Chief]

I mustve missed it but who did we blame for this loss?

Game 1 - Gross man
Game 2 - Wide man
Game 3 - which man?

[itsmagic]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

this forum is really upset

Sure it is. We are all Flames fans. Right Ashasx?

But at least the discussion has been civil for a change.

Thank God.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by itsmagic

Sure it is. We are all Flames fans. Right Ashasx?

But at least the discussion has been civil for a change.

Thank God.

But wheres the fun in that?

[Ashasx]

you can tell it's game 3 of the regular season.

[flames_fan13]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Monahan wasn't playing, but he was practicing. And he was in the video room. He has rust as an excuse, but not ignorance of the system. The only important part Gulutzan was missing was Gaudreau. So, again, I do not buy that as an excuse.

There's a difference between learning by watching video and executing the system from practice. But either way that's on Monahan and not the coach.

[Timbo]

Just being trendy here, "I am outraged"

[itsmagic]

Didn't bother to quote a recent Resolute14 post as the post that would have been quoted was meaningless.

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Open the link shared here and read it. Study it. Learn from it.

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Some threads here can form interesting debates, with complete and honest context about the team, the coaches, and hockey in general.

Others can prove to contain comedic gold among the serious thoughts.

In fact, some may appear to border on satirical genius, delivered with such subtlety you might not even recognize it.

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[kukkudo]

Originally Posted by itsmagic

Didn't bother to quote Resolute14 as the post referenced was meaningless.

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I am going to be as kind as I can here in order to save you and your like-minded colleagues significant future embarassment.

Open the link shared here and read it. Study it. Learn from it.

Otherwise, post opinions at your peril.

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No threat of peril from me, you understand. I find many of the opinions posted on CP to be of value.

Some take the form of interesting debates, with complete and honest debates about the team and the coaches.

Others prove to be comedic gold.

In fact, some border on satirical genius, delivered so subtlety you might not even recognize it when it appears.

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Please know that I consider all viewpoints as equally valid, until they are not.

Then the viewpoints are rendered meaningless.

Except of course, if they share an Emma Stone gif. This is an exception to the rule. There may be others...

If an Emma Stone gif (or similar) is the only rule exception, why are many posters so happy to share otherwise empty thoughts or exhibit poor critical thinking skills?

It is a serious question.

As noted above, everyone should refer to the information in the link below before posting any opinion, anywhere on the Internet.

They provide to be solid life lessons as well.

I report. You decide.

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy

Just stop.

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by itsmagic

Didn't bother to quote Resolute14 as the post that would have been quoted was meaningless.

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I am going to be as kind as I can here in order to save you and your like-minded colleagues significant future embarassment.

Open the link shared here and read it. Study it. Learn from it.

Otherwise, post opinions at your peril.

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No threat of peril from me, you understand. I find many of the opinions posted on CP to be of value.

Some take the form of interesting debates, with complete and honest debates about the team and the coaches.

Others prove to be comedic gold.

In fact, some border on satirical genius, delivered so subtlety you might not even recognize it when it appears.

----------

Please know that I consider all viewpoints as equally valid, until they are not.

Then the viewpoints are rendered valueless. They have no meaning at all, except to the original poster

Except of course, if they share an Emma Stone gif. This is an exception to the rule. There may be others...

If an Emma Stone gif (or similar) is the only rule exception, why are many posters so happy to share otherwise empty thoughts or exhibit poor critical thinking skills?

It is a serious question.

As noted above, everyone should refer to the information in the link below before posting any opinion, anywhere on the Internet.

They provide to be solid life lessons as well.

I report. You decide.

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy

Nice job linking Wikipedia as source.

[Ashasx]