[Rumour] UPD: Friedman: Thinks a deal will get done between Gaudreau and the Flames in the next week

[Reggie Dunlop]

I didn't hear anything wrong about the Francis Sportsnet interview. Johnny wants to play in Calgary, but business being business he wants the best deal he can get. Nothing wrong with that.

I will say this though: The Flames took a mid-round flier on the kid and facilitated and nutured his success. That's worth something. Johnny walked into a perfect storm. He's a star here. Calgary Flames made him a star.

So I think both sides come to a deal.

Put Craig Conroy on the case. Fellow New York stater. He'll charm the Gaudeau family.

[indes]

If he holds out it will be similar to the lockout. He will lose millions and the owners will keep on keeping on.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Doc Hudson

This is what separates a flames fan from a pure Gaudreau fan. Starting the year without 1 player vs many years with cap flexibility. 1.5 million doesn't sound like much, but at the trade deadline this can be the difference you need to bring in a impact forward. Think Pittsburgh.

Not only that, but the difference two rounds made in 14-15 was about 1.25 million in operating income (based on info from Forbes).

So, the playoff argument that suggests Gaudreau makes the Flames more money than he costs just by getting there holds literally (literally literally) zero water, unless we get to the 3rd round EVERY single year, or make it well into the 2nd round with home ice advantage (every year).

If Gaudreauvertime knew half as much about the Flames, the NHL, or the business of hockey in general as he knows about Gaudreau and pretends to know about negotiating, we'd have a great resource.

[Enoch Root]

nm

[djsFlames]

Now people are even giving Eric Francis credit? And I thought this thread couldn't get any worse.. I do not respect that guy. Say things purely or click/read bait. Plays devils advocate 110% of the time, to where it just gets old. There a shtick and then there's just d-bag level "journalism". Often doesn't even give credit where credit is due. Glass empty guy. Not even half-empty, empty. Painted Gaudreau in a bad light and has managed to tick him off.

He does his job alright, but I sure don't like how he does it.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

Unless he discloses his sources publically I have every right to question his legitimacy.

If the mods have an issue with me saying what I have they can PM me, ban me, delete my post or whatever else they see fit. But until you are a mod, don't act like you are one.

You make a claim that a member of the media "fabricates most things" and this is your defense?

Saying a guy like Francis is making up sources and facts is akin to claiming a player is shaving points or an accountant is cooking the books. Why do I have to be a mod to ask you to back up your statement?

Sorry for derailing the thread.

[Lumby Lager]

[QUOTE=PepsiFree;5931883]

If Gaudreauvertime knew half as much about the Flames, the NHL, or the business of hockey in general as he knows about Gaudreau and pretends to know about negotiating, we'd have a great resource.[/QUOTE]

Just always remember...He who can, does. He who cannot, teaches.

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Didn't say by all. But do you think a guy like Kerr would have him on so much if he wasn't respected?

He (Francis) also gets a fair amount of time on the NHL Network on Sirius XM radio.

Edited for clarity as to who I was talking about.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Freeway

This thread took a strange, strange turn.

In post #2?

[djsFlames]

[QUOTE=Lumby Lager;5931907]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

If Gaudreauvertime knew half as much about the Flames, the NHL, or the business of hockey in general as he knows about Gaudreau and pretends to know about negotiating, we'd have a great resource.[/QUOTE]

Just always remember...He who can, does. He who cannot, teaches.

And he who cannot teach, teaches gym.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

I didn't hear anything wrong about the Francis Sportsnet interview. Johnny wants to play in Calgary, but business being business he wants the best deal he can get. Nothing wrong with that.

I will say this though: The Flames took a mid-round flier on the kid and facilitated and nutured his success. That's worth something. Johnny walked into a perfect storm. He's a star here. Calgary Flames made him a star.

So I think both sides come to a deal.

Put Craig Conroy on the case. Fellow New York stater. He'll charm the Gaudeau family.

Don't New Yorkers and New Jeseryites hate each other?

[Ryan Coke]

I don't see anything that Eric Francis or anyone else has written that should upset the Gaudreau's. If they are upset with the high priced ask and the slow pace of negotiations, they should be looking closely at their representation.

Eric has generally been quite diplomatic about it IMO.

[Flash Walken]

People who would read Francis are probably the same ones who would reply to gaudreauvertime.

Just look at how he popped up in this thread, someone posted a link to his column with a snide remark about how he was an idiot. Why? Do you need other people to call him an idiot to feel smart?

I don't get it.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

You make a claim that a member of the media "fabricates most things" and this is your defense?

Saying a guy like Francis is making up sources and facts is akin to claiming a player is shaving points or an accountant is cooking the books. Why do I have to be a mod to ask you to back up your statement?

Sorry for derailing the thread.

Why do I have to back up an opinion? It's pretty clear that I am stating an opinion.

And no, questioning Francis is not the same as those examples you gave. Questioning Francis and his sources is more akin to questioning Eklund and his sources or believing the stuff in the National Enquirer is fabricated. The reason why it is different than your examples is because a reporter can hide behind the veil of protecting a source or claiming it is an anonymous source while they pass on information.

When someone is as out to lunch as Francis usually is, either he doesn't verify information properly, doesn't have good sources or *gasp* makes things up. He wouldn't be the first nor last in his field to do that.

Regardless it is simply my opinion, you don't have to share my opinion and I won't try and convince you either.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Flames are not going to capitulate to Gaudreau's demands simply because they may lose out on a couple of playoff games' worth of revenue this year. Gaudreau had a heck of a season last year, and the Flames still missed.

Flames will get him signed to what both sides deem fair at this point, and that will allow the Flames to continue building a team around the young core they have assembled so that they can go on deep playoff runs, and you know... try to win a Stanley cup at some point.

Nobody - not even Gaudreau (who, again, I love to watch) will throw a wrench into their plans by pricing himself above the team, and having a trickle-down effect on the future salary structure. Teams in a cap era win the cup when they can field the best entire team (and run into some luck with injuries and match-ups). Pittsburgh should have won the cup multiple times since they have the best player in the league, followed closely by another top 5 or so player (when he was healthy anyways). They couldn't do it because they had trouble building a team around them. They just won their second cup with those two.

I don't know what the number is that the Flames are unwilling to go over. I don't know what the number is that Gaudreau has as his line in the sand. I don't think either side is thinking about playoff revenue to support their side of the equation.

Some of the stuff Gaudreauvertime comes up with is pretty damn creative though - I haven't seen a more creative troll on these boards in a long time. A big white stetson hat off to ya, cowboy.

[Party Elephant]

[QUOTE=djsFlames;5931913]

Originally Posted by Lumby Lager

And he who cannot teach, teaches gym.

This has to be about the fifth time someone has made this joke on cp in the past week

[SixtySix]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

Why do I have to back up an opinion? It's pretty clear that I am stating an opinion.

lol

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

Why do I have to back up an opinion? It's pretty clear that I am stating an opinion.

And no, questioning Francis is not the same as those examples you gave. Questioning Francis and his sources is more akin to questioning Eklund and his sources or believing the stuff in the National Enquirer is fabricated. The reason why it is different than your examples is because a reporter can hide behind the veil of protecting a source or claiming it is an anonymous source while they pass on information.

When someone is as out to lunch as Francis usually is, either he doesn't verify information properly, doesn't have good sources or *gasp* makes things up. He wouldn't be the first nor last in his field to do that.

Regardless it is simply my opinion, you don't have to share my opinion and I won't try and convince you either.

It's more than an opinion though. One could argue it is defamation and you are hiding behind the anonymity of a forum to make statements about a guy.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

And no, questioning Francis is not the same as those examples you gave. Questioning Francis and his sources is more akin to questioning Eklund and his sources or believing the stuff in the National Enquirer is fabricated. The reason why it is different than your examples is because a reporter can hide behind the veil of protecting a source or claiming it is an anonymous source while they pass on information.

When someone is as out to lunch as Francis usually is, either he doesn't verify information properly, doesn't have good sources or *gasp* makes things up. He wouldn't be the first nor last in his field to do that.

Francis isn't a blogger. He's a professional who works for a legitimate news organization - one that can be sued. That's why any anonymous sources are confirmed with his boss.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

Why do I have to back up an opinion? It's pretty clear that I am stating an opinion.

It sure makes you look argumentative and butthurt if you present your opinion with no real logical reasoning, and then get defensive when challenged. Current subject matter aside.

Pretty much how forums deteriorate.