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GioforPM · 10-03-2016, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by djsFlames

And you know.. Phanuef would look pretty great beside Hamilton.. I'm just saying.

Missing green text. Hamilton's weak spot right now is defence. Phaneuf regularly gets walked and never wants to play corners.

MrMastodonFarm · 10-03-2016, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by djsFlames

And you know.. Phanuef would look pretty great beside Hamilton.. I'm just saying.

Like, in a photo?

djsFlames · 10-03-2016, 02:44 PM

Sorry. I didn't think I needed green text for it to be obvious.

And yes, most definitely in a photo. They're both photogenic in a goofy, perhaps frightening yet endearing way.

GioforPM · 10-03-2016, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by djsFlames

Sorry. I didn't think I needed green text for it to be obvious.

And yes, most definitely in a photo. They're both photogenic in a goofy, perhaps frightening yet endearing way.

I'm surprised at the Phaneuf fans who sometimes emerge in these kind of discussions. So just checking.

GreenLantern2814 · 10-03-2016, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Ferland or Hamilton on the first line would be a nightmare. Ferland is a great piece for the 3rd or 4th line, but on the top 2 lines, he would quickly become a whipping boy. Reminds me of back in the dark ages when we tried to wedge Chris Clark up there.

Hey now - Chris Clark scored 50 goals in the two years after the lockout playing with Ovechkin...

savemedrzaius · 10-03-2016, 08:22 PM

Nevermind. Pointless post by me...deleted!

Wish you guys luck this season and when the Leafs play you I hope they murder ya'!

skudr248 · 10-03-2016, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by savemedrzaius

Ok, I'm just gonna say this, but please don't kill me..your forward group is insanely weak. Other than Gaudreau and Monahan you guys really have nothing.

I have a feeling you guys are going to be with the Leafs in the bottom 5 in the league this year.

Why do you even post this #### on a Flames fan forum?

AC · 10-03-2016, 08:29 PM

We'll see. The Flames finished 10th in goals for last year.

From that team we lost Colborne (19), Hudler (10), Jones (9), Russell (4), Granlund (4), Jooris (4), Nakladal (2), Sieloff (1).

Colborne's 19 being the biggest loss, but Brouwer is a big addition and should make up for those. The others will be replaced by default with players like Chiasson, Vey, rookie callups, etc.

Bennett will have a big year I bet, and Tkachuk could stick and contribute 10-20 goals potentially. Shinkaruk may get decent NHL time this season and contribute a handful as well.

Regardless, goals scored wasn't the team's issue last year. Even decent goaltending and we'd have been a playoff team.

Cali Panthers Fan · 10-03-2016, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by AC

We'll see. The Flames finished 10th in goals for last year.

From that team we lost Colborne (19), Hudler (10), Jones (9), Russell (4), Granlund (4), Jooris (4), Nakladal (2), Sieloff (1).

Colborne's 19 being the biggest loss, the others will be replaced by default with players like Chiasson, Vey, rookie callups, etc.

Bennett will have a big year I bet, and Tkachuk could stick and contribute 10-20 goals potentially.

Regardless, goals scored wasn't the team's issue last year. Even decent goaltending and we'd have been a playoff team.

You forgot that Brouwer will pretty much instantly replace Colborne's production.

AC · 10-03-2016, 08:34 PM

Yep just added that in actually.

Calgary4LIfe · 10-03-2016, 09:05 PM

The big question will be how the new system will affect offence.

Sutter didn't foresee such a total drop-off in the offence department when he chose not to renew Cammalleri. But the addition of the cap-space going to defence + bringing in a defensive-first coach started wearing on the team.

I don't think the Flames will be hard-pressed for goals this year either - Gaudreau, Monahan, Bennett plus decent depth and a pretty good lineup of offensive D should at least keep the Flames out of the bottom third of the league in that area.

However, it may very well work the other way. Gulutzan's system is definitely more defensive, but it is also much more puck-possession oriented. This may end up increasing offence, rather than relying on counter-attacks and and an emphasis of having the Flames players in high shooting percentage situations.

I guess I wouldn't be surprised if the Flames are just as offensive this year, I wouldn't be surprised if they take a slight tumble in that area, but I would be shocked if the Flames become one of the league's lowest scoring teams. Either way, the most important stat it seems is not how many goals you are scoring, or how few goals you are allowing, but how good your goal differential is at the end of the season. That seems to have the largest correlation to how many points in the standings you have.

djsFlames · 10-03-2016, 10:25 PM

Flames were 10th in goals for. Where were the Leafs again?

The forward group doesn't need to be quite as strong because a lot of offense comes from the blue line. More than most NHL teams. I think that's what people forget. But Bennett and Brouwer will not be slouches. Pretty sure you can bank on 20 goals from each. The depth up front isn't ideal, but it'll be decent as long as those two are going.

FireGilbert · 10-03-2016, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Hey now - Chris Clark scored 50 goals in the two years after the lockout playing with Ovechkin...

He also scored a huge goal in game 6 of the 04 final.

I'd take a 30 year old Chris Clark as the first line RW any day over the current options.

jlh2640 · 10-03-2016, 11:23 PM

I want it to be Mathew Tkachuk lol

gunnner · 10-04-2016, 07:14 AM

https://www.nhl.com/news/penguins-ch...ns/c-280704828

Read this article. Just my opinion, but I think these days lines arent that important and pairs are the important thing. Aside from Bonino, Kesselburger, and Hagelin, the Penguins used a blender last year. Hawks do it to. Lots of guys will be on the top line thoughout the season.

TheIronMaiden · 10-04-2016, 11:01 AM

^ Yeah that is a fair statement. Not to mention, with a new coach I can imagine there will be a feeling out process to see what works and what doesn't. We will probably see lots of combinations in the first 20 odd games.

Bandwagon In Flames · 10-04-2016, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by savemedrzaius

Nevermind. Pointless post by me...deleted!

Wish you guys luck this season and when the Leafs play you I hope they murder ya'!

A leaf fan trying to trash our team.

Now I've seen everything.

FlamesAddiction · 10-04-2016, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by TheoFleury

If Sheary can play with Crosby, I have no doubt Ferland could play with Gaudreau. There's never going to be enough cap space to give Gaudreau two linemates truly worthy of his talent, but that doesn't mean that a great 1st line can't be constructed with one lesser piece on it. That's just a reality of today's capped NHL.

True, but that 3rd player should at least be capable to 15 to 20 goals on that line. I doubt either Ferland or Hamilton would contribute that much.

Textcritic · 10-04-2016, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

True, but that 3rd player should at least be capable to 15 to 20 goals on that line. I doubt either Ferland or Hamilton would contribute that much.

I honestly don't think it matters. Monahan and Gaudreau are going to produce regardless of who is on their right wing. I like the option of Ferland because even if he is not capitalising he continues to attract attention and create chances. In my opinion the most important improvement this season needs to come from the second line, and with a consistent pairing of Bennett + Brouwer I don't see how that is not a virtual certainty. More consistent secondary scoring helps the top line, and on an already high-scoring team this makes a significant difference overall.

t0rrent98 · 10-04-2016, 11:57 AM

Gaudreau - Monahan - the almighty awesomeness of Sven Baertschi