^ then it should be a two minute minor. League is looking at a suspension here for what is essentially a clean hit, aside from rattie's position of his head into a shoulder.
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If you think there is only one possible way that Hjalmarsson could have hit Rattie, I don't know what to say to you.
Agreed. If you see a guy skating around with the puck and his head down, you punish him with a hit shoulder to shoulder, hip on hip, you don't do it shoulder to head.
If Hjalmarsson is a foot to the right, it's a great bodycheck. As it is, it's a suspendible head shot.
Fine him. Dude could have and should have avoided it. 60/40 blame Rattie/Hjalmarsson.
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Agreed. If you see a guy skating around with the puck and his head down, you punish him with a hit shoulder to shoulder, hip on hip, you don't do it shoulder to head.
If Hjalmarsson is a foot to the right, it's a great bodycheck. As it is, it's a suspendible head shot.
there is nothing to say....he did exactly what he is taught to do...dont target the head, lead with your shoulder and dont leave your feet. Just because the head got injured does not make this illegal, nor a bad hit. It was entirely on the player skating with his head down that this resulted in looking like it did. That in beyond dispute.
You take that out of the game you might as well start watching curling as there will be more contact there.
So now that there's a hearing, can you admit it was a dirty AND illegal hit?
And hitting the head is exactly what made this hit illegal, why else do you think it was a bad hit? If this happened 10 years ago, then your post would make sense.
Really not trying to be a dick here, but I feel some people need to read the new rules regarding head shots before commenting on hits to the head.
So now that there's a hearing, can you admit it was a dirty AND illegal hit?
And hitting the head is exactly what made this hit illegal, why else do you think it was a bad hit? If this happened 10 years ago, then your post would make sense.
Really not trying to be a dick here, but I feel some people need to read the new rules regarding head shots before commenting on hits to the head.
Ya when you aim for the head you are in trouble. If you aim for the guys chest and he puts his head there it's his own damn fault. No sympathy. Hopefully they just called a meeting for appearances and give him nothing.
Ya when you aim for the head you are in trouble. If you aim for the guys chest and he puts his head there it's his own damn fault. No sympathy. Hopefully they just called a meeting for appearances and give him nothing.
Sigh...please re-read the NHL rules regarding head shots. You don't need to target the head for it to be considered an illegal head shot.
Honestly, it ok to have an opinion that it should be a clean hit but the new rules are meant for situations exactly like this.
But he didn't put his head into the hit?? It wasn't a last minute head movement. The head was down for so long (definitely an error on his part) that the defender had complete control over where he hit him, and he hit the guys head.
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Fine him. Dude could have and should have avoided it. 60/40 blame Rattie/Hjalmarsson.
Would you feel the same way if Hjalmarsson had decided to take out Rattie's knee instead of driving his shoulder into Rattie's head? IMO, just because a guy is skating with his head down, it doesn't mean he deserves in any way to be be the victim of an illegal hit.
Rattie was 100% responsible for leaving himself open to be hit, but Hjalmarsson was 100% responsible for delivering the hit to the head instead of leveling him with a clean hit.
Read thread before watching video, was thinking it would be more borderline. I'm as old school as it comes, but hits like that are the exact ones the NHL is trying to get rid of and for good reason. Suspend the guy.
Just a question for everyone. Why does everyone jump on the NHL, shouldn't they be questioning the actual players and NHLPA who don't seem to respect their union brothers?
Just because he didn't make the best positional choice doesn't mean the hitter doesn't have a duty to not hit him. This is the hockey equivalent of asking a sexual assault victim what they were wearing at the time of an assault.
Ok I'm not going drag violent sex crimes into this argument.... Wth?
It's the equivalent of having the puck along the boards and turning face first towards them last second before getting hit and resulting in a spinal injury. The guy hitting you has to finish his check, you have to protect yourself. It's that simple. If you want to play on the nhl, the fastest and best league in the world, you had better be smart enough to keep your head up. If not, the consequences might suck.
Also, hjarlmarson does have a duty to hit him. Thats what Chicago pays him to do. You don't make it to where hjarlmarson is in the league without finishing his checks.
It's the equivalent of having the puck along the boards and turning face first towards them last second before getting hit and resulting in a spinal injury. The guy hitting you has to finish his check, you have to protect yourself. It's that simple.
It would be that simple if Rattie had lunged forward at the last second before Hjalmarsson hit him.
But he didn't.
Rattie was in the same position for many seconds before the hit.
So the equivalent is standing face first towards the boards for several seconds before getting hit, and that's a clear penalty that often results in supplementary discipline.
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Also, hjarlmarson does have a duty to hit him. Thats what Chicago pays him to do. You don't make it to where hjarlmarson is in the league without finishing his checks.
Hjarmalsson has a duty to hit him with a legal hit. He didn't.
Hjarmalsson won't make it in this league if he keeps throwing illegal hits to the head.
Just a question for everyone. Why does everyone jump on the NHL, shouldn't they be questioning the actual players and NHLPA who don't seem to respect their union brothers?
Not going to speak for anyone else, but while I agree the players are part to blame, the NHL and their weak suspensions aren't enough of a deterrent. IMO, minimum for head shots should be 5 games, with it escalating exponentially for repeat offenders if they really wanted to get this stuff out of the game. A game or two is laughable.
Not going to speak for anyone else, but while I agree the players are part to blame, the NHL and their weak suspensions aren't enough of a deterrent. IMO, minimum for head shots should be 5 games, with it escalating exponentially for repeat offenders if they really wanted to get this stuff out of the game. A game or two is laughable.
Exponentially? So 5 first time, 25 the second, 125 the third, and 625 the forth.
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Not going to speak for anyone else, but while I agree the players are part to blame, the NHL and their weak suspensions aren't enough of a deterrent. IMO, minimum for head shots should be 5 games, with it escalating exponentially for repeat offenders if they really wanted to get this stuff out of the game. A game or two is laughable.
Agree but the league can't just decide. Minimum/Maximum suspensions are negotiated with the NHLPA. I am sure the league would suspend for longer just to improve their image but the players would grieve all suspensions. The league doesn't tell the players to hit each other in the head or from behind, that is the players choice.
