Ty Rattie rocked by Hjalmarsson - Update: hearing tomorrow - Page 3 - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

flamesfever · 10-02-2016, 01:55 PM

Such a shame and unnecessary hit. More respect should be drummed into any and all players...starting at an early age.

With these types of hits continuing, it's no wonder that parents are reluctant to get their kids involved in hockey. IMO unless they manage to deal effectively with concussions, it may have a serious long term negative affect on the game.

My wife has repeated several times that she was so relieved when our kids showed little interest in playing hockey.

Reaper · 10-02-2016, 02:04 PM

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I thought they got rid of the hard plastic pads a couple years ago?

All NHL shoulder pads have had an additional 1/2 inch of padding on the outside of the caps for years now. Even players who have worn their same pads from peewee have had to swap out the shoulder caps for ones approved by NHL Player Safety.

Reaper · 10-02-2016, 02:07 PM

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Honestly, the game has become so tame these days as it is, but now we're discussing whether a completely legal and clean play needs addressing.

You missed the boat. Hitting an unsuspecting player, hitting a player from a blind angle, and hitting a player with the principal point of contact being the head has been illegal for a few seasons now.

Reaper · 10-02-2016, 02:09 PM

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You take that out of the game you might as well start watching curling as there will be more contact there.

False equivalency. This isn't your dinosaur's NHL.

btimbit · 10-02-2016, 02:17 PM

Would have been a beautiful open ice hit if he came in lower.

I love huge hits but in todays NHL you can't drive through that high, even if the guy put himself in a vulnerable spot. Not sure I agree completely or not, but looks like a illegal check to the head either way.

All I know for sure is if that was a Flame I'd be livid at the hit

Lanny'sDaMan · 10-02-2016, 02:28 PM

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False equivalency. This isn't your dinosaur's NHL.

I agree with the sentiment, but seriously dude, there's a better way to enunciate it.

Reaper · 10-02-2016, 02:31 PM

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I agree with the sentiment, but seriously dude, there's a better way to enunciate it.

I assure you that I enunciated the words exactly in the correct manner. If people don't want their statements challenged then they shouldn't say ridiculous things.

DeluxeMoustache · 10-02-2016, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Boy he had his head down a long time. Don't like the hit but he had his head down for several seconds. You can't do that

Long enough for Hjalmarsson to notice?

That almost makes it worse, this was not a split second thing.

H2SO4(aq) · 10-02-2016, 02:37 PM

Can't believe people are piling on transplant here. Ty has nobody to blame but himself. if you put yourself in a vulnersble position that's your fault.

Reaper · 10-02-2016, 02:41 PM

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Can't believe people are piling on transplant here. Ty has nobody to blame but himself. if you put yourself in a vulnerable position that's your fault.

Just because he didn't make the best positional choice doesn't mean the hitter doesn't have a duty to not hit him. This is the hockey equivalent of asking a sexual assault victim what they were wearing at the time of an assault.

JiriHrdina · 10-02-2016, 02:51 PM

Within the current culture of the game it is tough to blame the hitter here.
As I've said before, hitting should be to separate puck from player and nothing more - anything more should be a penalty.
But that's not how things are currently.

DeluxeMoustache · 10-02-2016, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Within the current culture of the game it is tough to blame the hitter here.
As I've said before, hitting should be to separate puck from player and nothing more - anything more should be a penalty.
But that's not how things are currently.

Easy to blame the hitter. Guy had his head clearly down.

The league has scheduled a disciplinary hearing. They just blamed the hitter, no?

Lanny'sDaMan · 10-02-2016, 02:54 PM

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I assure you that I enunciated the words exactly in the correct manner. If people don't want their statements challenged then they shouldn't say ridiculous things.

Well if "antagonistic" is what you are going for, then ok. I think insulting people when trying to get them to see a differing point of view is counter-productive, but hey, I'm old, out of touch and irrelevant so ignore what I say.

Reaper · 10-02-2016, 03:00 PM

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Well if "antagonistic" is what you are going for, then ok. I think insulting people when trying to get them to see a differing point of view is counter-productive, but hey, I'm old, out of touch and irrelevant so ignore what I say.

I'm tired of trying to convince people that hits to the head are an important issue. If they refuse to accept that the game is changing to try and protect players then they are dinosaurs stuck in the past. People that act like head injuries are trivial and should just be shaken off like they were when society knew very little about brain trauma ARE dinosaurs. Willfull ignorance is way more insulting to me than calling someone old or out of touch.

PepsiFree · 10-02-2016, 03:37 PM

I can see the argument for the hit being ok, but I don't feel that way.

I think 10-15 year ago this is a fantastic hit. While I don't think Hjalmarsson targeted the head, I do think that most big hits should be gone. They almost always involve a vulnerable player.

It's the intent to do physical damage to another player. It's something hockey doesn't need.

Crumpy-Gunt · 10-02-2016, 03:49 PM

I think they both deserve some blame. Why does it have to be 100% one of their faults. Ty should know by now to keep his head up and Hjalmarsson could have kept his arms close to his body and used his hip and shoulder to make contact to the side of Rattie instead of the head and still had a huge hit. Not to mention a bit of restraint as it is a skater in a vulnerable position in the pre-season. I dont think it was intentional at all and maybe a case of pre-season rust/carelessness. I doubt he makes that kind of hit in the finals.

puckedoff · 10-02-2016, 04:13 PM

I don't see how Hjalmersson could have hit Rattie there in a way that wasn't devastating. And that's on Rattie. Is Hjal supposed to crunch into a ball so he doesn't catch this guy staring at his toes?

BACKCHECK!!! · 10-02-2016, 04:19 PM

Doesn't matter if it was a clean hit or not.

A clean hit where a guy accidentally gets a stick in the chops still gets you a high sticking penalty. Automatically. No BS about which side of the face you hit, or whether the face was the principle point of impact of the stick, etc.

You're not allowed to hit a guy in the head with a stick. It's a penalty.

You're not allowed to tag a guy in the head with a check. It's a penalty.

And I don't buy some argument that guys are going to skate with their heads down trying to draw penalties for this. Nobody wants to get their bell rung for a 2 minute minor.

puckedoff · 10-02-2016, 04:21 PM

^ Then it should be a two minute minor. League is looking at a suspension here for what is essentially a clean hit, aside from Rattie's position of his head into a shoulder.

BACKCHECK!!! · 10-02-2016, 04:39 PM

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^ Then it should be a two minute minor. League is looking at a suspension here for what is essentially a clean hit, aside from Rattie's position of his head into a shoulder.

You are correct.

It should be a minor penalty, unless the other player gets hurt (then double minor), or if it was intentional (major penalty), or it's really outrageous (suspension). Just like high sticking.

If you Scott Stevens somebody, you're gone. Just like if you Mart McSorely somebody.