[Rumour] UPD: Friedman: Thinks a deal will get done between Gaudreau and the Flames in the next week

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

Which he has already done without Johnny.

actually not. w/o Johnny Monahan was 22 goals 34 pts.... He would have done better than that in years 2 and 3 but it is not realistic to say he would would have 30-60 with Colborne/Raymond and Hudler/Jones as his linemates.

[Ashasx]

i'm just sitting here watching mckenzie's tweets hoping and waiting for good news

[Patek23]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Voracek has 2 seasons of ppg and one was a Shortened season. He was immediately overpaid and all he has proved is he is a 40-50pt player that had a couple seasons where he put up big numbers. Bad comparable to Johnny

Or a good comparison if Gaudreau follows a similar trajectory also a big reason why no way in hell do we sign him to 8 million a year. I also wonder if it's possible we are in a Trouba like situation if we really are that far apart.

[saillias]

Not talking is bad. hope Treliving has mastered the most people-pleasing grunts and gestures so he can circumvent their refusal to speak language

[Lanny'sDaMan]

Johnny still isn't signed.



Well, Mr Weasley, The Doctor seems to think,



Why would he think that? Well Douglas Quaid (in drag) tells us we still have



So CP I say unto thee,



Thereyago. Topical, and gif filled goodness with a good lesson.

I have done my good deed for the day.

[East Coast Flame]

Thinking that they can get Johnny for Gio or Monahan money is ludicrous.

He's getting the Tarasenko contract ($7.5x8), so everyone just stop playing chicken and let's get on with it.

[Ashasx]

Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie
Johnny Gaudreau's case in CGY is also fascinating. Technically, he's not even an RFA. Not experienced enough. He's a 10.2(c) player...

Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie
A 10.2(c) player refers to CBA clause that says players with less than three years' pro experience have zero rights, can't get offer sheet.

Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie
CGY would like to tie Monahan (6 x $6.375) and Gaudreau together. Monahan a year younger, with three productive seasons. Gaudreau has had 2.

Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie
Just spitballin' here but guessing CGY doesn't want to go much higher than Giordano's team-high $6.75M for a 10.2(c) player, good as JG is.

[TheAlpineOracle]

TSN reporting Panarin is going to sign 6 for 6. I hope management hold their ground here. Anything over 7M is overpayment, especially considering the Flames hold all the leverage.

[polak]

Originally Posted by TheAlpineOracle

TSN reporting Panarin is going to sign 6 for 6. I hope management hold their ground here. Anything over 7M is overpayment, especially considering the Flames hold all the leverage.

That's simply not true.

Panarin has Kane. Johnny is the offense for the Flames. He deserves Tarasenko money. You can take off a bit if you want to press him since he has no rights (great relationship building for your franchise player) but saying 7M is overpayment is ridiculous.

[Ashasx]

Sure doesn't seem like there is any animosity between both parties based on McKenzie's tweets. Flames just want the right price.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Voracek has 2 seasons of ppg and one was a Shortened season. He was immediately overpaid and all he has proved is he is a 40-50pt player that had a couple seasons where he put up big numbers. Bad comparable to Johnny

so you agree that Voracek's contract was a huge mistake?

In 2015-16 Voracek (a scary mediocre season for Voracek) was a much better road player than Gaudreau.

There are some warning signs in Gaudreau's potential.

The way that the folks here are talking about Gaudreau is like he was Toews, Kane, Crosby, Ovechkin, Malkin, Tavares where they came into the league and were supposed to dominate and actually did.

Gaudreau at 22 is no where near the level of these players were at at 20.

Actually when you compare a 20 year old Gaudreau to a 20 year old Monahan you give Monahan a better long term contract. In a couple of years how good will Monahan be?



I think that part of the problem is there has a been a string of under-performing 1st round overall picks... Hall, RNH, Yakapov that Gaudreau has shown to be better than..... that is a pretty low bar.

[Ashasx]

Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie
As @EricFrancis first reported, it's believed Johnny Hockey is looking for $8M per year and there's been some spec his ask may be $8+M.

Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie
So you can see there's a considerable gap there. As of yesterday, there's been zero recent dialogue between JG camp and CGY.

Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie
Actually, with the season still two weeks from opening and many of these guys coming off WCOH, it's still very early in negotiating game.

in reference to all RFAs looking for contracts:

Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie
I would say, in most of these instances, there's little or no negotiating going on right now. Bit of a Cold War, if you will.

[TheoFleury]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Why? I'm always on the management's side in this type of thing. I couldn't care less if Gaudreau or anyone is underpaid for his value. In fact I hope he's severely underpaid! He's still going to be a multi millionaire.

I want the lowest cap hit possible, but I want that to be balanced with the player being happy as well. Obviously there is a point where those two interests can't be aligned. If Gaudreau is dead set on 8.5m then there isn't much that can be done. However, there is nothing to suggest that is the case besides musings from less than reputable sources. Aside from who is actually in the room, no one actually knows what's going on so I find taking sides to be pointless at this juncture.

Are you on management's side for cap reasons or do you just think players make too much money and that's why you're on their side? Honestly curious. Personally, I don't care about how millionaires and billionaires divvy up billions. They are both super rich so I find it hard to side with either. I only care to the point where the Flames remain competitive.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Why? Because I do negotiations for a living and I know the parameters of the negotiation. You don't need to be an insider to know who has the leverage here. The CBA was written to give the club all the leverage at this point in a player's career.

This isn't a case of a club wanting to save money so the fat owner can get fatter. This is a case of a club trying to build a competitive team under a league imposed salary cap. Brad isn't trying to screw Johnny. He's trying to build the best team possible.

Johnny is trying to (rightfully) claw back as much money as possible. The unfortunate thing for him is he doesn't have the leverage to negotiate here and history would show us (Gio, Monahan, Frolik, Hamilton) that Brad doesn't screw over his players. There is no doubt in my mind that Brad offered Johnny a fair and equitably deal.

One of the best posts in this thread IMO.

[TheoFleury]

Originally Posted by TheAlpineOracle

TSN reporting Panarin is going to sign 6 for 6. I hope management hold their ground here. Anything over 7M is overpayment, especially considering the Flames hold all the leverage.

I thought the report was Panarin wanted 6 x 6m, not that they were about to sign him for that.

He is also hard to compare because he has one less year in the league, players take less to play in CHI, CHI's cap situation is terrible and there is also the Russian factor.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by TheoFleury

Are you on management's side for cap reasons or do you just think players make too much money and that's why you're on their side? Honestly curious. Personally, I don't care about how millionaires and billionaires divvy up billions. They are both super rich so I find it hard to side with either. I only care to the point where the Flames remain competitive.

Cap reasons.

[TheoFleury]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

One of the best posts in this thread IMO.

It's just a bunch of unverifiable information and conjecture, but I guess if it fits your personal narrative it would sound pretty good.

[Lord Carnage]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Why? Because I do negotiations for a living and I know the parameters of the negotiation. You don't need to be an insider to know who has the leverage here. The CBA was written to give the club all the leverage at this point in a player's career.

This isn't a case of a club wanting to save money so the fat owner can get fatter. This is a case of a club trying to build a competitive team under a league imposed salary cap. Brad isn't trying to screw Johnny. He's trying to build the best team possible.

Johnny is trying to (rightfully) claw back as much money as possible. The unfortunate thing for him is he doesn't have the leverage to negotiate here and history would show us (Gio, Monahan, Frolik, Hamilton) that Brad doesn't screw over his players. There is no doubt in my mind that Brad offered Johnny a fair and equitably deal.

Originally Posted by TheoFleury

It's just a bunch of unverifiable information and conjecture, but I guess if it fits your personal narrative it would sound pretty good.

This (and the other) thread are almost ENTIRELY based on unverifiable information and conjecture!!!

Thing is, CroFlames post sounds like the most reasonable and logical opinion based on what we DO know - Trelivings past dealings.

(Caps for Emphasis, not yelling)

[ricardodw]

I really want to see more of Gaudreau before going all in.

He was the best forward on a bad team last year.

This year all the pieces are in place. Gio, Brodie, Hamilton, Monahan, Bennett AND Elliott/Johnson. Only elite core quality prospect is Tkachuk. Gillies also core potential but should not be that much of an upgrade on Elliott.

IF Gaudreau is truly an 8M player then this team should be over 100 pts in the standings. IF gets an 8x8 and the Flames are not a SC contender then we will be locked in for 4-5 years of mediocre at best.

PS After 2 years and the Flames being over 100 pts and gaudreau being the best forward sign him for 10M x6

[TheAlpineOracle]

Originally Posted by TheoFleury

I thought the report was Panarin wanted 6 x 6m, not that they were about to sign him for that.

He is also hard to compare because he has one less year in the league, players take less to play in CHI, CHI's cap situation is terrible and there is also the Russian factor.

So every single young gun with similar stats/trajectory to Johnny are signing between 6 and 7 (mostly closer to 6), but Johnny deserves more? No way.

The only guy who got above 7 was Taransenko and he has a hell of a lot more leverage than Johnny does with the offer sheet and probably willingness to bolt to Russia.

I wouldn't even be opposed to matching Taransenko's contract as a fan, but I can see why management wouldn't. They hold all the cards here.

Edit: Sorry I see now that Panarin is seeking 6 years at 6 million, not that he was close to signing. Point still remains though.