[Rumour] UPD: Friedman: Thinks a deal will get done between Gaudreau and the Flames in the next week

[zyzz]

From all the talk of him wanting to go home it'll likely be 8xUFA eligibility.

[calgarywinning]

Originally Posted by OldDutch

People have to remember there is more to this than just "pay the kid"

1. Total of 2 seasons under his belt. Although extremely talented , he isn't proven. Cheechoo had 2 amazing seasons at one point.

2. The cap has to be managed. This will bite us when Benett et al. need to sign.

3. Most important the team optic. Other guys may have signed for closer to market because they wanted to win as a team. If Johnny signs for $8 mill that is running huge team chemistry risk. How would a guys who took a hit like to see that money just thrown to Johnny becuase he has 2 good seasons.

There is a pecking order for a reason. Just throwing money even at Johnny is an easy solution with massive risk. Flames really can't politically do it even if they want to.

I say hold fort. The kid has no leverage.

All excellent points but Johnny has a way of getting his way on and off the ice. He's been successful and I don't see him backing to far up on this one. He's a competitor and a winner.

[trumpethead]

Originally Posted by Machiavelli

So this is basically a continuation of The Thread from Hell...

...but with way less Gaudreauvertime, so it is much better.

[Mister Yamoto]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

All he can literally do is sit. That's his only move.

And that's the move he made. Training camp is going on and Johnny is trenched at home in Philly. It's real now.

His only move just happens to be a very strong one. Have you noticed that in these holdout situations the player just about always gets his bank.

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by Mister Yamoto

And that's the move he made. Training camp is going on and Johnny is trenched at home in Philly. It's real now.

His only move just happens to be a very strong one. Have you noticed that in these holdout situations the player just about always gets his bank.

Kyle Turris didn't and neither did Ryan Johansen.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by zyzz

From all the talk of him wanting to go home it'll likely be 8xUFA eligibility.

What talk? The only actual talk about Gaudreau's pressing desire to be back East is occurring amongst fans and outside observers.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

Kyle Turris didn't and neither did Ryan Johansen.

Nor did Drouin.

[speeds]

Originally Posted by Mister Yamoto

And that's the move he made. Training camp is going on and Johnny is trenched at home in Philly. It's real now.

His only move just happens to be a very strong one. Have you noticed that in these holdout situations the player just about always gets his bank.

That player almost always has at least the outside chance of getting an offer sheet as a contract dispute drags on, Gaudreau is in an unusual position.

[Locke]

You guys are all worrying about nothing.

The whole delay in all this is the Flames purchasing the Skittles company, at which point they can withhold the Skittles from Johnny for leverage.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Nor did Drouin.

Drouin is still on his ELC.

[Mister Yamoto]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Nor did Drouin.

It wasn't a contract negotiation.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

Kyle Turris didn't and neither did Ryan Johansen.

Neither did Subban and O'Reilly only made bank because of Calgary. And now they are happily playing for Phoenix, Columbus, Montreal and Colorado. Oh wait.

Originally Posted by corporatejay

Actually Gaudreau has no leverage. Not offer sheet eligible and no arbitration rights. All he can literally do is sit. That's his only move. Meanwhile the flames will go on with their season and will be waiting for him when he's done holding out.

Why do you think that sitting out isn't leverage?

Every game he misses, depending on the contract structure (salary first year, signing bonus) could easily be peanuts to Gaudreau.

Every game the Flame lose without Gaudreau could be the difference between making the playoffs or not. Remember the last time they made the playoffs, they clinched in game 81 and ended up in the second round. The difference between making the playoffs or not is financially huge to an NHL team.

[AcGold]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Don't worry, some people still actually think that. Some actually think he'll cave days before opening night due to his pure passion for hockey. It's his nickname afterall!

You're like a bitter ex girlfriend dude, it's kind of sad. It's got to be a full year now of this ridiculous passive aggressive nonsense. If you hate me so much just ignore me but this ongoing thing you have is getting pathetic.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Mister Yamoto

It wasn't a contract negotiation.

It was a dispute. Drouin withheld his services in an attempt to force management's hand, and it ultimately did not work out as he had first hoped. My point is that ambitious young players whose rights are under team control quite frequently succumb to that leverage.

[Mister Yamoto]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

It was a dispute. Drouin withheld his services in an attempt to force management's hand, and it ultimately did not work out as he had first hoped. My point is that ambitious young players whose rights are under team control quite frequently succumb to that leverage.

Your "point" all summer long has been that it would never get to this point. And anybody who didn't see it that way just doesn't understand. Well, it's September 28 and he's holding out.

Turns out that you aren't infallible.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Can't blame the player for asking for the maximum. I know I would if I were in Johnny's position.

Smaller guy targeted for physical abuse. One check could end his career.

There's a happy medium out there, but probably skewed to the Johnny side.

People buy tickets just to see Johnny Hockey. He puts bums in the seats.

He has that as leverage.

I think a deal gets done. He's huge here. He can be face of the franchise here. He can afford to fly in his family anytime.

[jayswin]

^^^^^^^^

One check could end any player's career. Johnny's shown that he isn't more susceptible to big hits than the average player. If anything he's more elusive than most due to his quick, explosive turns and heads up play.

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

Kyle Turris didn't and neither did Ryan Johansen.

Those guys both got traded. I would think Calgary would want to avoid that with Gaudreau.

Players with his level of offence are pretty hard to replace.

[Tinordi]

My read is that while the Flames have all the theoretical leverage, they have no practical leverage.

Who needs each other more? The Flames need Gaudreau. The fans demand it and the future competitiveness of the team demands it. Further, the Flames know can't poison the well with their future superstar for fear of leaving at the first opportunity. Gaudreau and his agent know all this. They also have a perfectly legitimate argument that Gaudreau should be paid top dollars for his top performing years which will be in his next contract. That's something that some teams are stumbling over. No matter what the rules are with RFAs the money is gradually but concertedly moving to pay the best players the most.

The Flames, likely led by His Stubbornness Brian Burke, seem not able to understand that while you may have the leverage of the rules, you don't have the leverage of the game. I predict the Flames will break and Gaudreau gets what I said he'll get paid a year ago, Tarasenko money.

This is just another log on the fire that is the arbitrary RFA rules for superstars. It's quickly going up in smoke.

[Husky]

As a flames, the delay and length of this process is starting to upset me. Both with management and JG side.