[Rumour] UPD: Friedman: Thinks a deal will get done between Gaudreau and the Flames in the next week

[Alpine Fisher]

I would give him 8x8 in a heartbeat.
Wideman is making 5.5M a year for crying out loud.

[GranteedEV]

Nvm

[Mister Yamoto]

As a last resort, I wonder if a one year deal with a handshake agreement to restart negotiations on a longterm deal during the season would be the best for everybody.

It would get Johnny playing and both sides could spin it as if they "won".

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Alpine Fisher

I would give him 8x8 in a heartbeat.
Wideman is making 5.5M a year for crying out loud.

Call the Flames owners, tell them you're covering this one.

[hockey.modern]

Wrong thread. been doing that lately... yikes

[Captaincanada80]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

It's more about what they're willing to pay than what he's worth in trade. Probably no deal Johnny signs gets him over the "four firsts" threshold, even if he could sign an offer sheet. But, moot point.

Anyway, at the risk of asking something that has also been discussed ad nauseum in threads I wasn't paying attention to, why isn't Tarasenko a reasonable comparable?

I'm almost positive that 15-20 teams would not only be willing to give up the 4 firsts along 8M/year for Gaudreau

[Coach]

Originally Posted by Alpine Fisher

I would give him 8x8 in a heartbeat.
Wideman is making 5.5M a year for crying out loud.

Yeah! Since a $2m player is making $5.5, everyone should be adjusted up as such!

[Cole436]

I mean the way I think Johnny's camp should see it is Johnny better than Stamkos? Stamkos just signed a very similar contract that the Gaudreau camp is looking for, and that was after 4 PPG seasons, 2 Richard trophies, and a 60 goal season.

If Gaudreau can come up with a reasonable argument for why his two years in the league would dictate more than Stamkos, then that would be the only way I could justify that salary.

[calumniate]

I'd do 7.7per as 77 is a cool number. But I would draw a line in the sand there :-)

[thymebalm]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Johnny himself said he'd like to sign the same deal as Monahan. Why do you think worth a million dollars more than him?

His 14 extra points?

Yes.

10 points is roughly equivalent to 1 Million in pay.

Monahan, 63 points, 6.3M / year.
Frolik, 42 points, 4.3M / year.
Brouwer, 39 points, 4.5M / year. (previous seasons 43 & 43)
Bouma, 34 points, 2.2M / year. (previous 2 seasons average 24.5)
Mikael Backlund 27* points (52GP, pro-rated to 42pts/season), 3.5M / year.
Giordano 48* points (61GP, pro-rated to 64.5pts/season), 6.75M /year.

If you are paying a guy 6M, expect 60 points.

If you are paying a guy 7M, expect 70.

If you are paying 8M, expect 80.

Anything production under is going to feel like over payment, and you only get value for 8M dollar contracts if the player is scoring OVER 80 points a season.

So by this metric, pay Gaudreau 8M a year if he'll continue to grow and outpace last years 78 in 79. If every season he's produce 1+PPG, he's earning 8M.

[N-E-B]

Originally Posted by HarryH93

You obviously didn't catch the sarcasm in that comment

I am ashamed.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by Alpine Fisher

I would give him 8x8 in a heartbeat.
Wideman is making 5.5M a year for crying out loud.

Your posts remind me a lot of Gaudreauvertime.

[Savvy27]

Originally Posted by Cole436

I mean the way I think Johnny's camp should see it is Johnny better than Stamkos? Stamkos just signed a very similar contract that the Gaudreau camp is looking for, and that was after 4 PPG seasons, 2 Richard trophies, and a 60 goal season.

If Gaudreau can come up with a reasonable argument for why his two years in the league would dictate more than Stamkos, then that would be the only way I could justify that salary.

I don't think that is the argument though. The argument is that Gaudreau will outscore and be a better player than Stamkos over the next eight years. I happen to think that is reasonable because I think it is probably the way things will shake out.

I understand that the Flames want to keep his salary down but there are very few players in the league that I would want at $8 million than Gaudreau. He's not a player with great potential at this point, he's a marquee star in the league. The Tarasenko contract is still the one I am hoping for.

Flames fans seem to be hoping he will sign a deal under his value and outplay it by a wide margin like Brodie but if you were Gaudreau's agent would that be what you were telling him to do?

[Bezer]

Well that's not super duper.

[Cole436]

Originally Posted by Savvy27

I don't think that is the argument though. The argument is that Gaudreau will outscore and be a better player than Stamkos over the next eight years. I happen to think that is reasonable because I think it is probably the way things will shake out.

I understand that the Flames want to keep his salary down but there are very few players in the league that I would want at $8 million than Gaudreau. He's not a player with great potential at this point, he's a marquee star in the league. The Tarasenko contract is still the one I am hoping for.

Flames fans seem to be hoping he will sign a deal under his value and outplay it by a wide margin like Brodie but if you were Gaudreau's agent would that be what you were telling him to do?

Right, I get that and when Stamkos was finished his ELC where he scored back to back 90 point seasons and won a Richard he signed a 5 year 7.5 million dollar deal. I don't think it's unreasonable that Gaudreau would sign at a similar price point (and a little higher) for 6 or 7 years

[Monahan For Mayor]

What a play by Kulak!

Edit - Wrong thread!

[StrykerSteve]

Originally Posted by thymebalm

Yes.

10 points is roughly equivalent to 1 Million in pay.

Monahan, 63 points, 6.3M / year.
Frolik, 42 points, 4.3M / year.
Brouwer, 39 points, 4.5M / year. (previous seasons 43 & 43)
Bouma, 34 points, 2.2M / year. (previous 2 seasons average 24.5)
Mikael Backlund 27* points (52GP, pro-rated to 42pts/season), 3.5M / year.
Giordano 48* points (61GP, pro-rated to 64.5pts/season), 6.75M /year.

If you are paying a guy 6M, expect 60 points.

If you are paying a guy 7M, expect 70.

If you are paying 8M, expect 80.

Anything production under is going to feel like over payment, and you only get value for 8M dollar contracts if the player is scoring OVER 80 points a season.

So by this metric, pay Gaudreau 8M a year if he'll continue to grow and outpace last years 78 in 79. If every season he's produce 1+PPG, he's earning 8M.

Get out of my head, good sir.

[postal]

8x8 wouldn't bother me one bit

[thymebalm]

Originally Posted by StrykerSteve

Get out of my head, good sir.

I Call it the TSI, or Thymebalm Salary Index.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by AltaGuy

I'd still give him 8x8 without blinking. Realistically, I think he'd take 7.5Mx8 and that's perfect to me. The kid is an incredible player, and I don't care much about his RFA/years in the league status.

NHL general managers care.