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[photon]

Newsweek got some court documents and says trump either committed perjury or lied during a debate.

http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump...ambling-502144

[Jacks]

It would be nice if these news stories just stuck to the facts, it would seriously be more damaging. That article is written with such an obvious bias that you would think the author was a paid member of the Clinton team. I forced myself to keep reading it to see what the evidence was, and it seems to be a legitimate reason to criticize Trump, but if I just came across the article by myself I would never have gotten that far. Journalism these days is such a joke.

[Gozer]

Originally Posted by Jacks

That article is written with such an obvious bias that you would think the author was a paid member of the Clinton team.

It was.
It was written by a Clinton supporter or it was written by an independent journalist being bombarded Clinton mercenaries.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/09/23...vid-brock.html

[GGG]

Originally Posted by photon

Newsweek got some court documents and says trump either committed perjury or lied during a debate.

http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump...ambling-502144

Breaking news

Trump lied during his campaign.

If you could prove that he lied under oath, which is unlikely because Jeb Bush has already backed up the claim then it would be news.

This whole election makes me lose faith in people's ability to rationally look at things and make decisions on a reasonable interpretation of likely true facts.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Gozer

It was.
It was written by a Clinton supporter or it was written by an independent journalist being bombarded Clinton mercenaries.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/09/23...vid-brock.html

As has been pointed out to you numerous times, this stuff happens on both sides of the aisle. The Republicans were the first to use this strategy and used it very effectively. The most ironic thing of your linked article is that David Brock was one of those noise agents for the Republicans during the Bill Clinton administration, when this strategy became so effective at shaping public opinion. If there is someone who knows the inner workings of both sides, it's Brock.

[Gozer]

On the subject of Clinton emails;

The FBI traded immunity for access to Hillary's staffers laptops.
http://politi.co/2cNSB3Z

[Gozer]

Originally Posted by New Era

As has been pointed out to you numerous times, this stuff happens on both sides of the aisle. The Republicans were the first to use this strategy and used it very effectively. The most ironic thing of your linked article is that David Brock was one of those noise agents for the Republicans during the Bill Clinton administration, when this strategy became so effective at shaping public opinion. If there is someone who knows the inner workings of both sides, it's Brock.

So Clinton got slimed by a smear merchant, and was so impressed that they hired him.
OK.

Why did you respond to that like my post was a discredited falsehood?
It's relevant, true, and links to an article published today.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by Gozer

On the subject of Clinton emails;

The FBI traded immunity for access to Hillary's staffers laptops.
http://politi.co/2cNSB3Z

Dude, you've been asked to stop with that email thing, more than once, and I'm pretty sure you said you'd stop. It's not even news, in fact I think you yourself have already tried to "raise awareness" on this, or what ever it is you think you're doing.

Are you bombarding so many forums with this stuff that you start forgetting what you've linked where now?

Just give it a rest already. (...but I'm now so sure you won't stop until the election is over that I'll just put you on ignore until then.)

[Gozer]

Originally Posted by Itse

Dude, you've been asked to stop with that email thing, more than once, and I'm pretty sure you said you'd stop. It's not even news, in fact I think you yourself have already tried to "raise awareness" on this, or what ever it is you think you're doing.

Are you bombarding so many forums with this stuff that you start forgetting what you've linked where now?

It was published today. I'm confident I haven't linked it before.

I don't recognize your authority to revoke my posting privleges. It's a simple link with no arguments or editorializing by me, just ignore it if it doesn't interest you.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Gozer

So Clinton got slimed by a smear merchant, and was so impressed that they hired him.
OK.

Actually Brock had an attack of conscience toward the end of the 90's and decided to blow the whistle on the dirty tricks going on in the Republican attempts to get Clinton impeached. He exposed the playbook and was influential in developing counter measures. The fact he's gone to work for the Clintons is surprising. I'd be interesting in knowing his motivations.

Why did you respond to that like my post was a discredited falsehood?
It's relevant, true, and links to an article published today.

I was just pointing out that this is SOP for campaigns of all sorts. You haven't stumbled on anything new or enlightening.

What I find ironic is that this biased liberal media you keep complaining about keep coming up with these negative articles about the Clinton campaign. Why is the biased conservative media not ripping Trump to sheds and all over his non-stop stream of lies? The difference is that one side does journalism and the other side maintains message discipline in making sure nothing sticks to their candidate. The later just happens to be one of those strategies that Brock spoke about in his book, and what Dr. Frank Luntz makes big bank managing for the Republicans.

[ResAlien]

Not for nothing but "I don't recognize your authority to revoke my posting privileges" gave me a chuckle. Such a polite way to tell him to suck it. I appreciate your attention to decorum, Gozer.

[Gozer]

Originally Posted by New Era

What I find ironic is that this biased liberal media you keep complaining about keep coming up with these negative articles about the Clinton campaign. Why is the biased conservative media not ripping Trump to sheds and all over his non-stop stream of lies?

Glenn Beck is still calling him Hitler (though he may 'bend the knee' too, now that Cruz has) and Mark Levin is advocating for Trump as "barely better than the alternative."
They're as biased as they come.
I actually think Chris Wallace will do a respectable job when moderating the 3rd debate - based on his performance in this election cycle. ('truth-squad' quote notwithstanding)

As for my whining about libreal media - I have endorsed Slate's Trumpcast which has covered Trump's lies rather brutally, and pledged fealty to Maddow in this thread.

If you want to understand my motivations - it's not much more complicated than "butt-hurt Bernie Bro. " I saw these same narrative-controlling tactics of yours being welded as a cudgel against his supporters, and I have very little respet for it.

That said, I think our personal spats are detracting from the quality of the thread. I will not be shouTed down for posting. Take it up with the mods.

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by Itse

Dude, you've been asked to stop with that email thing, more than once, and I'm pretty sure you said you'd stop. It's not even news, in fact I think you yourself have already tried to "raise awareness" on this, or what ever it is you think you're doing.

Not allowed to talk about Clinton's emails?
I don't follow this thread everyday so I don't know.
Told by who? a staff member?
If so that's a joke.
If by you that's a bigger joke.

Emails
Emails
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[Street Pharmacist]

Really interesting story about Carter Page, a "Russian Energy Expert" that Trump said in the WaPo editorial interview was one of his foreign affairs advisers. Turns out, the guy is something of an incredibly interesting fraud. This article is less sensational and more just really interesting look into Russia's Energy/Political mesh. Worth the relatively long read:


http://www.politico.com/magazine/sto...-moscow-214283

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Jacks

Not allowed to talk about Clinton's emails?
I don't follow this thread everyday so I don't know.
Told by who? a staff member?
If so that's a joke.
If by you that's a bigger joke.

Emails
Emails
Emails
Emails
Emails

Unless you have new, true, and relavent to information you could just go back 10, 20, 30, 57, 102, or 119 pages to review the email discussion

[Gozer]

Following up on the Ted Cruz news;

I'm really fascinated by their dynamic, Cruz and Trump, who I think are both clowns lacking in moral fibre or ideological integrity.
During the primaries they had an alliance with each other - not bashing to the press & propping each other up in debates.

Once they emerged as the final two, Trump slammed him with the most tabloid-worthy attacks of the primaries; your wife is ugly, your father killed JFK, and you're the Zodiac killer. These are caricatures of political attacks - too silly to really damage Cruz, but outrageous enough to dominate the conversation.
It's almost a Vince McMahon/WWF story arc. Trump's campaign is a reality TV script where he's the 'heel' taking all the heat from the noble candidates (Cruz) and devastating the incredulous announcers (Megyn Kelly) as the audience is riveted.

The RNC convention is, quintessentially, a promotion for the 'real event' - like the last WWF episode before a PPV event is pure promotion. And the 'promo' featured Ted Cruz speaking in a primetime speaking slot - while Trump shows up with his posse and stares him down. That's a staple of the Vince McMahon playbook.
Also, the Trump entrance on day one of the convention.

Now, just before the first debate, Cruz comes out to endorse Trump. Instead of being washed away with all the other endorsements (like Rubio) - this endorsement can shape the narrative among their loyalists.
It's like Bret Hart agreeing to help his rival Shawn Michaels now that he's the only chance to stop the unholy alliance of The Undertaker and Kane. My WWF analogy is falling apart, buy hopefully you know where I'm going with that.

The Cruz endorsement doesn't carry much weight in our crowd, but he was the second most popular GOP candidate, and Trump desperately needs to secure their support.

The WWE uses the same formula to make the storyline predictable and digestible for the audience. Trump is taking these tropes and injecting himself into saviour role.

If he wins, I'm thinking Ted Cruz will come out a winner too.

[2Stonedbirds]

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/0...ils-fbi-228607

FBI records dump from today reveals Obama used a pseudonym in emails with Clinton and others.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Itse

Dude, you've been asked to stop with that email thing, more than once, and I'm pretty sure you said you'd stop. It's not even news, in fact I think you yourself have already tried to "raise awareness" on this, or what ever it is you think you're doing.

Are you bombarding so many forums with this stuff that you start forgetting what you've linked where now?

Just give it a rest already. (...but I'm now so sure you won't stop until the election is over that I'll just put you on ignore until then.)

Oh get out of here with this pathetic condescension. He can talk about what he likes.

[Chonger]

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RA...#axzz4KAEC8hFC

[Looch City]

Originally Posted by Chonger

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RA...#axzz4KAEC8hFC

Jesus, that website gave me cancer.