09-14-2016, 10:36 AM
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Deep South
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Insurance fraud? Likely no. Unethical? Probably yes.
Most everyone tends to overestimate the value of things they own, so I suspect some people, like myself, are skeptical that the car was worth that much more than insurance was offering. Although I tend to agree that insurance companies are never looking out for your best interest, the fake ads just artificially inflated the value of the car, which I would consider a bit suspect.
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09-14-2016, 11:43 AM
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#322
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#1 Goaltender
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So what is everyone's best Kijiji story? Either best find, most ridiculous offer, most interesting buying experience/selling experience, or such?
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09-14-2016, 01:30 PM
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#323
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Franchise Player
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Last edited by tvp2003; 09-15-2016 at 04:21 PM.
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09-14-2016, 01:34 PM
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#324
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Behind enemy lines!
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There has been 2 times now where I actually knew the person responding to my ad.
And one time where I responded to an ad and I knew the seller.
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09-14-2016, 01:39 PM
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#325
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#1 Goaltender
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I bought some baby gates earlier in the year and the seller wound up being someone from my grad class in high school. Was cool to catch up.
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09-14-2016, 02:05 PM
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#326
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Calgary, Alberta
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Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger
Sounds like insurance fraud to me.
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Originally Posted by undercoverbrother
I think it might be, but that is my opinion.
It certainly is a ####ty, dirty, phallushead way to go about things, in my opinion.
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I wouldn't say it's a great way to go, but how would this be fraud?
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09-14-2016, 02:07 PM
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#327
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Income Tax Central
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Quote:
Originally Posted by woob
So what is everyone's best Kijiji story? Either best find, most ridiculous offer, most interesting buying experience/selling experience, or such?
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I bought a pretty sweet record player off of a very nice Hungarian man named Zoltan.
It works well. He was a great guy.
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09-14-2016, 02:33 PM
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#328
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Sylvan Lake
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Originally Posted by Slava
I wouldn't say it's a great way to go, but how would this be fraud?
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He is attempting (appears to have succeeded) to obtain a benefit/advantage to which he might not be entitled.
It certainly isn't acting in the Utmost Good Faith. Let me put it this way, if the insurance company had a department dedicated to placing false ads to pull down the ACV on vehicles...how would that be viewed?
I might be off base, and it might not be fraud. However, had the insurance company taken the same tact with him I suspect he would have thrown his toys.
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09-14-2016, 02:34 PM
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#329
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Sylvan Lake
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I just sold a vehicle to a very nice couple on Kijiji.
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09-14-2016, 02:37 PM
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#330
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Slava
I wouldn't say it's a great way to go, but how would this be fraud?
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From a criminal standpoint, basically all you have to do to get within striking distance is to do something deceitful in order to obtain a monetary benefit.
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Fraud
380 (1) Every one who, by deceit, falsehood or other fraudulent means, whether or not it is a false pretence within the meaning of this Act, defrauds the public or any person, whether ascertained or not, of any property, money or valuable security or any service,
(a) is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to a term of imprisonment not exceeding fourteen years, where the subject-matter of the offence is a testamentary instrument or the value of the subject-matter of the offence exceeds five thousand dollars; or
(b) is guilty(i) of an indictable offence and is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years, or
(ii) of an offence punishable on summary conviction, where the value of the subject-matter of the offence does not exceed five thousand dollars.
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09-14-2016, 02:56 PM
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#331
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Locke
I bought a pretty sweet record player off of a very nice Hungarian man named Zoltan.
It works well. He was a great guy.
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I wonder if that was my neighbour growing up. We were friends for a few years until we went to different high schools.
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09-14-2016, 02:58 PM
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#332
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Franchise Player
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Dishonest and slimy, yes.
Insurance fraud, mighty unlikely.
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09-14-2016, 03:01 PM
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#333
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Income Tax Central
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Originally Posted by calgarygeologist
I wonder if that was my neighbour growing up. We were friends for a few years until we went to different high schools.
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Well....he is a retired Ironworker who lives in Sundance if that helps any. Nice guy though.
I was really working the Hungarian crowd this summer, they have a fondness for goaltenders in sweatpants and the name 'Zoltan.'
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09-14-2016, 06:45 PM
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#334
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: California
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Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague
From a criminal standpoint, basically all you have to do to get within striking distance is to do something deceitful in order to obtain a monetary benefit.
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But if the black book value of the car was what he ended up getting did he defraud anyone of anything?
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09-14-2016, 07:34 PM
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#335
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Somewhere down the crazy river.
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Originally Posted by GGG
But if the black book value of the car was what he ended up getting did he defraud anyone of anything?
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Is that the value that the insurance companies go by? If it's not, then it's a pretty murky area.
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09-14-2016, 08:32 PM
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#336
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Retired
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The suggestion that putting fake ads on kijiji for cars can lead to a greater insurance settlement for your own car, is amusing.
The suggestion that doing so might constitute fraud under the criminal code, is hilarious.
And that some people believed the story is, well, hysterical.
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09-14-2016, 08:51 PM
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#337
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Franchise Player
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I assume people selling Song Wegas for a price is the amount of money they are willing to pay you take it away. Those things are heavier than a motherfacker.
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09-14-2016, 08:57 PM
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#338
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Fantasy Island
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Tried to buy a stroller off a lady on kijiji. Messaged her in the morning, confirmed she still had it, confirmed I would pay her asking price, and we set up a time to meet at her house in 2 hours - I just needed to go to the bank and get the cash. She gave me her address and everything.
Driving over to her house, about 15 minutes before the scheduled pick-up time, she texted me to say "sorry, I sold it to someone else". What the actual  .
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09-14-2016, 09:12 PM
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#339
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Franchise Player
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I have an uppa baby vista that I'm looking to sell. Includes the "skateboard" for toddlers.
PM me if you're interested, I have no idea what my wife wants for it.
Oh we also have the peg perego car seat adapter.
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09-14-2016, 09:17 PM
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#340
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Lifetime Suspension
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LOL. I love Kijiji drama, and I hope I get lowballers on my stuff. It's a free pass to say things to people you never would in real life.
But on the contrary, I also love lowballing people. On dead days at work I troll motorcycle ads looking for decent deals, then offer them half the asking price. I've landed 3 so far this way. It's all in how you phrase the email.
"Hey man, just throwing my hat in the ring. I know your asking $6500 for your Honda ______. But it's out of my budget. If your desperate, or in a hurry, I got $3500 to spend right now, no conditions. If not, good luck man."
Never had a freak out response.
But when I get some illiterate text like "Giv u 10 bux fer PS4. And drop of fer me?"
You're gonna get slaughtered.
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