Alberta Politics Thread

[Resolute 14]

In the meantime, Notley's beer tax scheme is facing a fresh legal challenge:

http://calgaryherald.com/news/local-...a-beer-markups

Of note is the fact that Notley's scheme is actively killing small business in this marketplace.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

The point is, male politicians DO NOT have to put up with this level of harassment and threatening language. It's just below the surface on some of the commentary on this board too, aside from some of the posts that I've seen removed as well.

Notley doesn't get harassment any worse because she's a female but because she is a left/socialist leader in a primarily right leaning jurisdication. I don't believe that the attacks would be any different if Notley was an NDP male Premier of Alberta. Couillard, in Quebec, gets attacked just as much and just as viciously by the opposition on social media. Not only that but he was actually physically attacked earlier this year at an event.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by peter12

It is a term used to justify a never-ending flow of cash to various "stakeholders."

It's just like being forced to pay off the Mafia before opening up your casino in Atlantic City, except much worse.

So how come whomever the Ethereal 'They' are, arent imposing this required licence against outside parties? Is that perhaps, not in their best self-serving interests?

[automaton 3]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Unfortunately social license has some bearing, since it is about public optics on what you're doing and having that support. Pipelines having some of the most scrutinizing sets of eyes on it coast to coast and these types of projects draw in public perception now more than ever.

Bottom line is that some opinions are better than others. How far do we go to indulge people with incorrect information and non-mainstream beliefs?

In my experience it is a largely a waste of time and effort, and the process opens up the board members to taking all kinds of flak from fringe elements for making a correct decision.

But hey, it provides JT with political cover and more photo-ops!

[Robbob]

We are in a time where the persons or people who tend to me more vocal tend to be given the benefit of doubt, even if they are the minority. Pipelines and the oilsands was a PR battle that was fought and horribly lost by this province over the last decade.

[monkeyman]

I have a social license if anyone's interested in buying it from me. One of the many permissions it gives me is to purchase and sell goods from repressive, murderous regimes. you can pm me for the price.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by monkeyman

I have a social license if anyone's interested in buying it from me. One of the many permissions it gives me is to purchase and sell goods from repressive, murderous regimes. you can pm me for the price.

Can I set up my 'Indulgences' stand right next to your 'Social Licences' stand?

We can probably get Slava to go in on it with us and sell Fishing Licences.

[para transit fellow]

Perhaps it might be wise to learn from mistakes of the recent Keystone pipeline fiasco. Seems like the proven Alberta negotiation technique of "make them an offer then expropriate if they blink.." didn't go over very well in regions.

the lesson I glean from this?

Just because you can expropriate Alberta surface rights to build oil facilities... doesn't mean the same technique will go over well in places like Nebraska or eastern Canada where freehold rights are very common and property rights are very dear to the heart of the residents.


http://www.macleans.ca/politics/the-...-pipeline-war/

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

You have completely missed the point save for your very last sentence.

The point is, male politicians DO NOT have to put up with this level of harassment and threatening language. It's just below the surface on some of the commentary on this board too, aside from some of the posts that I've seen removed as well.

I would also like to see the numbers and criteria behind the study. As Tacopuck pointed out, some the politicians she his comparing Notley to were in office social media was barely a blip. Then there's the definition of an attack. Is calling a female politician a b*tch worse than calling a male politician a nazi? Because I'm guessing Harper was called a nazi online many thousands of times.

And you can't discount the political angle of this. Notley is the premier at a time when the major industry in the province is collapsing. As an NDP premier, she is being blamed (rightly or wrongly). Look back at the blistering invective that was aimed at P Trudeau when Albertans thought he was shafting the energy industry. If there was social media back then, the online threats of violence against him would have numbered in the hundreds.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

In the meantime, Notley's beer tax scheme is facing a fresh legal challenge:

http://calgaryherald.com/news/local-...a-beer-markups

Of note is the fact that Notley's scheme is actively killing small business in this marketplace.

Speaking of budgets and deficits and not wasting money, you know whats not cheap? Legal fees.

How many lawsuits does our Provincial Government have on the go right now?

[monkeyman]

Originally Posted by Locke

Can I set up my 'Indulgences' stand right next to your 'Social Licences' stand?

We can probably get Slava to go in on it with us and sell Fishing Licences.

anyone who would kill or openly promote the killing of a fish disgusts me. well, only if it's a Canadian fish, otherwise sure, no problem.

[RedHot25]

Originally Posted by Locke

How many lawsuits does our Provincial Government have on the go right now?

Probably a lot. A very lot. But this is anything specific this particular gov't, or this level of gov't, or the particular political party in power; right or wrong I believe gov'ts - municipal, provincial, federal - get taken to court for an extremely large number of times.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by monkeyman

anyone who would kill or openly promote the killing of a fish disgusts me. well, only if it's a Canadian fish, otherwise sure, no problem.

What if we just torture the fish for a while on the end of the line for our own enjoyment and then set it free to do it again some day?

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Slava

What if we just torture the fish for a while on the end of the line for our own enjoyment and then set it free to do it again some day?

You monster!

[RedHot25]

All of this talk about social license reminded me of a bit of a, rather, interesting tweet from Jason Kenney a few days ago...

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Locke

So how come whomever the Ethereal 'They' are, arent imposing this required licence against outside parties? Is that perhaps, not in their best self-serving interests?

You mean why isn't it being used as justification for protectionism? Well, that has been the tack taken by some morons like Ezra Levant - ethical oil and all that stuff.

In my opinion, all its done has increased the volume and hysteria of anti-pipeline activism.

The relationship between indigenous communities and pipeline companies is so strange. So cold and hot.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by RedHot25

All of this talk about social license reminded me of a bit of a, rather, interesting tweet from Jason Kenney a few days ago...

The immediate and IMO appropriate response to said tweet was to point out that it was built with the shameful use of near slave labour.

[monkeyman]

I proppose we heavily tax all Canadian fishers. I call it a CARPan tax. That surely will set an example for fishermen all over the world and should greatly reduce the amount of fish being caught all across the planent.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Parallex

The immediate and IMO appropriate response to said tweet was to point out that it was built with the shameful use of near slave labour.

I don't think that's a very good response. I mean, yes, it happened, but if you separate out the fact that oil & gas construction jobs are some of the easiest, and best-paid jobs for low-skill workers anywhere, it really cancels it out.

So we can build these things, and we definitely won't be doing it with slaves. I don't see the big deal.

At the very least, people on the left should be able to see that, but the left has long stopped being about economic equality or mobility.

[taco.vidal]

Originally Posted by peter12

I don't think that's a very good response. I mean, yes, it happened, but if you separate out the fact that oil & gas construction jobs are some of the easiest, and best-paid jobs for low-skill workers anywhere, it really cancels it out.

So we can build these things, and we definitely won't be doing it with slaves. I don't see the big deal.

At the very least, people on the left should be able to see that, but the left has long stopped being about economic equality or mobility.

Easiest?