The New American Politics thread

[BlAcKNoVa]

You guys are so insanely defensive against the narrative being played out here by the MSM (Trump's a racist, bigot, KKK supporter, going to kill us all with the nuclear codes LOL) it's crazy.

I posted one link that IMO fairly portrays Trump as someone a little different then what you all have been subjected too by the MSM. Instead of spending the necessary time to gauge a proper opinion on the subject, I get half-assed responses by saying it's boring, he's terrible, or in one case, the narrator is called a racist and a cult leader.

Trump wanting to kick illegals out: "racist!!!!!!!!!!"
Trump talks about issues in the inner cities: "he's a racist!!"
Trump appeals to minorities: "racist bigot!!"
Trump tweets about another senseless shooting: "that just shows how racist he really is!"
Video link debunking some of this racist crap: "that guys a racist cult leader!"

lmao You guys and the racist card seriously need to stop.

[BlAcKNoVa]

Originally Posted by Drak

And now a word from the Republican Party.

https://soundcloud.com/buzzfeedandre...duke-robocall1

I bet this won't be talked about on the MSM: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/0...obocall-227510

But keep reaching for that racist card.

[Drak]

Originally Posted by BlAcKNoVa

I bet this won't be talked about on the MSM: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/0...obocall-227510

But keep reaching for that racist card.

Yah right. Racist is a racist does. Keep on denying.

[Drak]

Originally Posted by BlAcKNoVa

You guys are so insanely defensive against the narrative being played out here by the MSM (Trump's a racist, bigot, KKK supporter, going to kill us all with the nuclear codes LOL) it's crazy.

I posted one link that IMO fairly portrays Trump as someone a little different then what you all have been subjected too by the MSM. Instead of spending the necessary time to gauge a proper opinion on the subject, I get half-assed responses by saying it's boring, he's terrible, or in one case, the narrator is called a racist and a cult leader.

Trump wanting to kick illegals out: "racist!!!!!!!!!!"
Trump talks about issues in the inner cities: "he's a racist!!"
Trump appeals to minorities: "racist bigot!!"
Trump tweets about another senseless shooting: "that just shows how racist he really is!"
Video link debunking some of this racist crap: "that guys a racist cult leader!"

lmao You guys and the racist card seriously need to stop.

What in the blue hell are you going on about? Get a grip on reality.

[octothorp]

Originally Posted by Drak

And now a word from the Republican Party.

https://soundcloud.com/buzzfeedandre...duke-robocall1

I don't give Duke any chance of getting elected, but with Louisiana's weird 'Jungle Primary' system, it seems totally plausible that he could advance to the runoff round of the primary. I think a certain number of Trump supporters will see Trump playing both sides of issues (like deportation) and feel that Trump is really on their side but saying what he needs to say to get elected, and think that it's the same with Duke - that Trump actually does support Duke but is now saying he doesn't because that's what he needs to do. Duke has gotten as high as 11% in senate races before and 19% in house races in the past, so with a very compatible presidential candidate, I could see him getting in the 20s or 30s.

[ResAlien]

I find the Trump camp's demands for health records to be released highly comical. I assume the Clinton campaign's response to that will simply be "tax returns".

[old-fart]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

I find the Trump camp's demands for health records to be released highly comical. I assume the Clinton campaign's response to that will simply be "tax returns".

I suspect Clinton's more detailed response would be "I already released them you idiots. Now, where's the Trupsterfire's tax returns?".

[Looch City]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

I find the Trump camp's demands for health records to be released highly comical. I assume the Clinton campaign's response to that will simply be "tax returns".

We've been waiting for his elusive tax records ever since Obama released his birth certificate (which is obviously fake of course, he was born in Kenya).

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by BlAcKNoVa

You guys are so insanely defensive against the narrative being played out here by the MSM (Trump's a racist, bigot, KKK supporter, going to kill us all with the nuclear codes LOL) it's crazy..

And yet when you try and examine Trump's extremely questionable, fraud and lie filled past, Trump supporters simply ignore it. So I ask again: Why are Trump supporters the special ones? Why is he not lying to you? Are you really 100% confident he won't sell you out to have eminent domain expanded and the estate tax eliminated?

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by BlAcKNoVa

Video link debunking some of this racist crap: "that guys a racist cult leader!"

Uh but Stefan Molyneux is a racist misogynistic piece of #### cultist troglodyte. I'm not sure where you're going with this.

I mean, sure we're not up on Trump's dick because he's a terrible candidate, but I don't really see anyone up on Hillary either.

Trump is just a massive ####show of a candidate, it's entertaining to watch. We're in Canada FFS, I'm unsure why you think our internet mocking makes much; if any; of a difference.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Back at the GOP convention I posted some of Trump supporter Pastor Mark Burns being a total lunatic, and basically being as anti-Christ as any religious man could be. He just had another total meltdown on TV today, plus he posted this on his Twitter account. I'm going out on a limb again today, but he's probably gunning for a slot on Trump News Network.

[BlAcKNoVa]

Originally Posted by Drak

Yah right. Racist is a racist does. Keep on denying.

Will Quigg. Research the man. Has Hillary disavowed him?

I'm not going to argue about expropriation or estate tax because I really don't know anything about that, nor have any interest in the subject lol.

I am really only trying to figure out where all this racist stuff comes from. That's all. I look at a Trump tweet talking about inner city crime rates, and people here say he's a racist for it. I am really just trying to figure out why that's the case.

As for being a Trump supporter. Nope. Never claimed to be one. I agree with certain policies he has talked about, such as immigration. But for the most part I think he's mostly BSing everyone when it comes to the "millions" of jobs he will bring back to Americans, and pretty much most of everything else. Keeping the streets safer, I don't know, it would be nice if that happened, but I am certainly not counting on that happening either. But at least he's talking about it, unlike the democrats which for the most part have largely ignored the issues for decades.

*edit* sorry my quoting is terrible, but I'm sure you guys get who and who I'm replying too.

[Lanny_McDonald]

You mean this Will Quigg?

http://www.snopes.com/kkk-endorses-hillary-clinton/

One thing you can count on about the RW types, they take anything from their favorite media source as gospel rather than bothering to verify the quality of the information. You gotta stop reading Breitbart and taking it any more seriously than the National Enquirer.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by New Era

You mean this Will Quigg?

http://www.snopes.com/kkk-endorses-hillary-clinton/

One thing you can count on about the RW types, they take anything from their favorite media source as gospel rather than bothering to verify the quality of the information. You gotta stop reading Breitbart and taking it any more seriously than the National Enquirer.

Well, that's true of both RW and LW.

I remember Daily Kos publishing that they believed that Palin's Downs baby was actually her grandson. So many people ran with that and it was based on nothing more than irrational hatred. Not to mention absolutely false.

Politics brings the worst out in people.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by BlAcKNoVa

Will Quigg. Research the man. Has Hillary disavowed him?

See the above post. Why should she disavow him?

I'm not going to argue about expropriation or estate tax because I really don't know anything about that, nor have any interest in the subject lol.

I am really only trying to figure out where all this racist stuff comes from. That's all. I look at a Trump tweet talking about inner city crime rates, and people here say he's a racist for it. I am really just trying to figure out why that's the case.

This is the fourth time on this thread talking this question on. A person using incorrect and misleading stats to describe the plight of African Americans isn't on itself racist. If it's said by a guy who was sued by the federal government for discriminatory renting policies, said laziness was a trait of black people, retweets tweets from supporters with handles like "@whitegenocide", was proven to have black dealers removed from his casinos, led the birther movement, etc, etc, etc. Unless you're looking for Trump openly saying he hates other races there's enough there to be pretty sure he's racist.

As for being a Trump supporter. Nope. Never claimed to be one. I agree with certain policies he has talked about, such as immigration. But for the most part I think he's mostly BSing everyone when it comes to the "millions" of jobs he will bring back to Americans, and pretty much most of everything else. Keeping the streets safer, I don't know, it would be nice if that happened, but I am certainly not counting on that happening either. But at least he's talking about it, unlike the democrats which for the most part have largely ignored the issues for decades.

*edit* sorry my quoting is terrible, but I'm sure you guys get who and who I'm replying too.

Democrats haven't talked about the lowest violent crime rate ever? Which party passed the biggest (and worst) crime bill on the last thirty years? It wasn't Republicans. Why should that be such a big discussion now?

As for jobs, that's not really something either political party can do much about. It's empty campaign promises because they legally cannot get manufacturing jobs to go backwards on automation.

On immigration, what policy do you agree with? The policy where he deports 11 million immigrants of the one where he doesn't? The one where he bans Muslims or the one where he doesn't? The one where he asks them questions or the one where he doesn't? The one where he builds a wall of the one where he doesn't? The one where he does much better than the "mess Obama made" or the one where he does "what Obama does"

I can find you quotes for all of those positions.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by BlAcKNoVa

Keeping the streets safer, I don't know, it would be nice if that happened, but I am certainly not counting on that happening either. But at least he's talking about it, unlike the democrats which for the most part have largely ignored the issues for decades.

Dems seem pretty keen on doing something about gun control in that country. I certainly wouldn't say they're ignoring the issue at all.

[Red Ice Player]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...rtner-1&wpmm=1
Roman Catholics, a massive demographic comprising 25% of the US electorate have swung decisively towards Clinton, more so than any other demographic. Maybe this should be where the Trump campaign should now be focusing their outreach, since they're doing so well now with African Americans. Knowing Trump, he'll just double down on the Pope Francis insults. The Catholic swing vote alone dooms Trump.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Red Ice Player

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...rtner-1&wpmm=1
Roman Catholics, a massive demographic comprising 25% of the US electorate have swung decisively towards Clinton, more so than any other demographic. Maybe this should be where the Trump campaign should now be focusing their outreach, since they're doing so well now with African Americans. Knowing Trump, he'll just double down on the Pope Francis insults. The Catholic swing vote alone dooms Trump.

Unfortunately, many of those roman catholics are minorities

Even as their numbers decline, American Christians – like the U.S. population as a whole – are becoming more racially and ethnically diverse. Non-Hispanic whites now account for smaller shares of evangelical Protestants, mainline Protestants and Catholics than they did seven years earlier, while Hispanics have grown as a share of all three religious groups. Racial and ethnic minorities now make up 41% of Catholics (up from 35% in 2007), 24% of evangelical Protestants (up from 19%) and 14% of mainline Protestants (up from 9%).

This is where the GOP train derails. If they could drop the racism and appeal to religious minorities they would have a legitimate shot at major office now and well into the future, however, they would lose the support of the poor white racist demographic which presumably would be picked up by the democrats.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by BlAcKNoVa

Will Quigg. Research the man. Has Hillary disavowed him?

I'm not going to argue about expropriation or estate tax because I really don't know anything about that, nor have any interest in the subject lol.

I am really only trying to figure out where all this racist stuff comes from. That's all. I look at a Trump tweet talking about inner city crime rates, and people here say he's a racist for it. I am really just trying to figure out why that's the case.

As for being a Trump supporter. Nope. Never claimed to be one. I agree with certain policies he has talked about, such as immigration. But for the most part I think he's mostly BSing everyone when it comes to the "millions" of jobs he will bring back to Americans, and pretty much most of everything else. Keeping the streets safer, I don't know, it would be nice if that happened, but I am certainly not counting on that happening either. But at least he's talking about it, unlike the democrats which for the most part have largely ignored the issues for decades.

*edit* sorry my quoting is terrible, but I'm sure you guys get who and who I'm replying too.

Trump has no immigration polices, he has no discernible policies full stop, even his supporters admit that nothing he says is any more than a negotiation talking point, the man stands for nothing at all, he has no positions on anything.

I don't blame Trump, he's a huckster, always has been, if he wasn't born filthy rich he'd be selling gin-sue knives at the state fair, the blame falls squarely on voters like you who believe in magical solutions to complicated issues that have no black and white solutions.

You want to fix illegal immigration to the US? that's easy, 100,000 dollar fines per worker for any businesses that employ illegals, the fines go up the food chain to whoever employs the subcontractor so that del monte and Walmart can't hide behind that trick. Everyone has always know that would work but the GOP have no desire to end the endless supply of cheap labour that fuels the US economy, and the party least likely to address immigration is the GOP, it's the party of business.

How the hell can you believe a guy who has makes his living in real estate and hospitality, outside of farming the two industries that rely most on illegal immigrant labour, is actually going to do anything, you cannot be that easy to con surely?

[Senator Clay Davis]