Gaudreau knows and his agent knows that he's small, and one massive hit from a big player could turn his career around quickly. He wants a guaranteed contract for the most money he can get. Playing out East comes second to that.
Gaudreau knows and his agent knows that he's small, and one massive hit from a big player could turn his career around quickly. He wants a guaranteed contract for the most money he can get. Playing out East comes second to that.
If that's the case I wonder if term/$ is done and it's a matter of how much is being paid in bonus money.
Gaudreau knows and his agent knows that he's small, and one massive hit from a big player could turn his career around quickly. He wants a guaranteed contract for the most money he can get. Playing out East comes second to that.
I agree with you in so far as Gaudreau's camp will want a long term deal for the earnings security it provides, but I think the idea that Gaudreau and his agent have a heightened concern about his potential for injury is nonsense.
There is no correlation between NHL player size and propensity for injury.
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I don't think NHL players are analytics and make decisions based on the latest research data. They probably see all these big players around them, recall all the close calls they've encountered, and know a colleague who's career ended too quickly, and then decide to make guarantee money.
It's like workers, even though workers know that safety glasses protect them from eye injuries and there is lots of data surrounding eye injuries, it's usually those who had, or almost had, an eye injury who are always wearing their safety glasses and you don't have to chase them or remind them to put them on
Not according to the other contracts that have been signed. It should be $7.5 million max for Gaudreau on a 8 year deal and $6.5 million max for Monahan on a 8 year deal.
Stone faced russians are not the same league as apple pie johnny.
Flames will sell an order of magnitude more Johnny sweaters than blues sell Tarasenko sweaters. He puts bums in seats, that will matter more now that money doesnt grow on trees in Calgary. Flames will have to put on a good show. Right now he is most of the show.
They bridge him now and pay big bucks later, or lock him up now and pay more than Tarasenko. Either way, they gonna have to pay. BT has no leverage here, the fan base will run him out of town if he overplays his hand.
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The players are not likely analytical but I would suspect their agents are - or leverage people that are. That's why they have agents.
Let me get this straight: Gaudreau's agent is telling JG that "there's no evidence that smaller players are more likely to have career-ending injuries, so don't worry about it"?
I think it's the opposite and his agent reminds Guadreau that Marc Savard only needed one injury to take him off the ice forever and it's a good thing Savard signed a long term deal to provide financial security in a business without a pension plan. The agent also wants to get paid too.
And how often does a sales person convince you of something you don't want? If you tell a real estate agent that you want an attached garage, do they immediately convince you otherwise? No, because you'll go find an agent who will. The agent can throw all the research (or in this case, a lack thereof) and a player is still going to want financial security if they're a player who feels they are high risk to career ending injuries.
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I don't think NHL players are analytics and make decisions based on the latest research data. They probably see all these big players around them, recall all the close calls they've encountered, and know a colleague who's career ended too quickly, and then decide to make guarantee money...
Sure, but this is likely true of all NHL players regardless of their size. I'm quite convinced that none of them worries, "My god, I am small and I am going to get killed playing this game."
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Actually I recall St. Louis being asked about his height and him saying he's had to adapt and take on certain survival attributes. These guys aren't naive. I've been aggressed by big, 6'5" - 300lb men and I wasn't so blind and stupid to the fact that I had a size disadvantage. You think Gaudreau got as good as he is by being dumb? Of course he recognizes he's a small player and needs to be cautious in how he plays.
And what of Nathan Horton, Eric Lindros, Chris Pronger, Scott Stevens, Cam Neely?
There is no proven correlation between size and career-ending injury risk.
I'm not refuting that. But that's not what I'm arguing.
We know size has a physical advantage, intuitively. That's why there's weight classes in combat sports, and even junior team sports. Is there much research? No, and it doesn't matter if there is.
Look at flossing. Just because there is research that says there isn't "direct correlation" doesn't mean dentists are going around telling kids to stop flossing. What we know is force is a product of mass and speed in collisions. Do we need research to refute what is physical law?
There, Johnny says himself he's not built for taking hits.
Pretty sure we don't need Johhny telling us that he's not built for taking hits. That's common sense. Difference is I guarantee you Johnny is in the top of the league for not taking big hits.
How many big hits has he taken in 2 years? Maybe one? Datsyuk caught him but I wouldn't even call that a big hit.
I'm not refuting that. But that's not what I'm arguing.
Perhaps you could try reiterating the point you think you're making in one clear, concise sentence.
Because the real damage from taking big hits in hockey is sustained and reoccurring damage to the brain, which can happen regardless of how big you are (see Lindros etc).
Gaudreau is one of the most elusive, heads-up players in the game. I think the concern he's one hit away from oblivion is a contrived, manufactured falsehood.
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Actually I recall St. Louis being asked about his height and him saying he's had to adapt and take on certain survival attributes. These guys aren't naive. I've been aggressed by big, 6'5" - 300lb men and I wasn't so blind and stupid to the fact that I had a size disadvantage. You think Gaudreau got as good as he is by being dumb? Of course he recognizes he's a small player and needs to be cautious in how he plays.
Currently Gaudreau does have a size advantage. He's so agile with his turning and lateral movement that catching him is nearly impossible currently.
He'll dangle the puck out like a carrot on a stick and just wait for a few moments. When the defender moves Johhny takes off and leaves the defender out of position. Right now the opposition is afraid of Johhny not the reverse.
Even when he does get hit he anticipates and deflects the impact into angular momentum. The odds of Johnny getting hurt is about as low as anyone in the league, hitting him is like catching a snake that can wriggle out of any bad situation.
That one hit bad hit he took in camp years back was a blatant cheap shot other than that he's given out just as many hits as he takes. Johhny hit Byfuglien harder than anyone I've ever seen, think about that. Good luck catching Johhny, it's nearly impossible. He can turn on a dime and he always has his head up.
