The New American Politics thread

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Fozzie_DeBear

That's the price of Democracy...if you want to give the state the power and mandate to promote social harmony above all else...you have China

I'm not sure harmony is the expected outcome of Democracy...resilience and tolerance maybe.

If China is one end of the spectrum and 'Murica is the other end, I would like to be somewhere in between personally.

[Fozzie_DeBear]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

If China is one end of the spectrum and 'Murica is the other end, I would like to be somewhere in between personally.

Canada has it about right...I'm more annoyed with the growing sentiment that people's feelings are protected by free speech. That speech that makes people uncomfortable is something to be reduced and controlled by laws.

People should be free to say what they want (as long as there is no direct instigation of harm) and society should be free to shun them. The best thing we can do is to ensure our kids are educated, have a diverse and respectful perspective and can think critically about media of all kinds.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

It's not so much laws. Nobody's really proposing any changes in law, although the expansion of the scope of the human rights tribunals is an issue (recently fined a comedian $42,000 for an offensive joke).

Generally, there's a growing willingness to simply take speech on certain topics away from ourselves, largely by pressuring private entities that currently provide the broadest means for public interaction (twitter, facebook, youtube) to censor things people don't like or agree with.

[Buster]

Canada's approach to the protection of speech is terrible, and an embarrassment. As with so many other aspects of Canada, it's how you don't want to run a country.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...ine-by-quebec/

Quebec’s Human Rights Tribunal has leveled a $35,000 fine against a comedian for a joke he told from 2010 through 2013.

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/ca...esbian-heckler

In 2011, Toronto comedian Guy Earle was ordered by the B.C. Human Rights Tribunal to pay $15,000 to Lorna Pardy, a homosexual woman who said she suffered “lasting physical and psychological effect” after Mr. Earle directed a string of lesbian slurs at her during a 2007 Vancouver open mic night.

This is what happens when naive university professors manage to gain control.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

It's not so much laws. Nobody's really proposing any changes in law, although the expansion of the scope of the human rights tribunals is an issue (recently fined a comedian $42,000 for an offensive joke).

Generally, there's a growing willingness to simply take speech on certain topics away from ourselves, largely by pressuring private entities that currently provide the broadest means for public interaction (twitter, facebook, youtube) to censor things people don't like or agree with.

Our human rights tribunals are awful quasi-judicial bodies that should not exist. It's one thing that Ezra Levant has gotten to right (there aren't many), but his crusade against the HRC is positive.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

The HRC showed its true colours when its lead investigator testified, "Freedom of speech is an American concept, so I don't give it any value. It's not my job to give value to an American concept."

I actually don't mind CCC 319, though. It's a pretty good spot to draw the line.

[Fozzie_DeBear]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

The HRC showed its true colours when its lead investigator testified, "Freedom of speech is an American concept, so I don't give it any value. It's not my job to give value to an American concept."

I actually don't mind CCC 319, though. It's a pretty good spot to draw the line.

After looking up CCC 319 its not bad...except for the get-out-of-jail-free-if-you-invoke-the-flying-spaghetti-monster clause.

[no one gets charged] if, in good faith, the person expressed or attempted to establish by an argument an opinion on a religious subject or an opinion based on a belief in a religious text;

If you incite direct harm, you've crossed the line. Religion should never be an excuse...

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Fozzie_DeBear

After looking up CCC 319 its not bad...except for the get-out-of-jail-free-if-you-invoke-the-flying-spaghetti-monster clause.

[no one gets charged] if, in good faith, the person expressed or attempted to establish by an argument an opinion on a religious subject or an opinion based on a belief in a religious text;

If you incite direct harm, you've crossed the line. Religion should never be an excuse...

That's to avoid the freedom of religion charter challenge. Have any criminal cases been lost or one around the use of that clause

[fatso]

Originally Posted by Mister Yamoto

Exceptional troll job indeed Fatso. Let's make a big deal out of this. I can't speak for Buster but it looks to me like he thoroughly enjoys all of the criticism. Good job on stroking Busters' ego by declaring him the poster who Fatso cannot remember anyone else ruining a strong thread so thoroughly. And that's coming from an eight year poster!! Nice work Buster!! You are the new gold standard...........sort of.

Kind of gives me something to strive for.

Someone is fired up! High energy - I like it!

[fatso]

Interesting to see Kasich confirm Trump camp reached out to him with a 'run the show' VP offer. This had been reported before but the Trumo camp had, unsurprisingly,denied it.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/07/politi...election-2016/

[jammies]

So Kasich would run domestic and foreign policy, and Trump would... oh yeah, be in charge of UFO policy. Maybe he can convince the Grays to build a space wall to keep out the interstellar aliens.

[Izzle]

I wonder how much of a boost Clinton would get with the Olympics. Given her tremendous cash resources, I could see her comparing the USA gold medal haul in the Olympics contrasted with Trumps assertion that the "USA doesnt win anymore". Patriotic feelings likely would give her another bump in the polls along with the general non-awfulness of being a not-Turnip.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Trump's website section on positions yesterday was this...

https://web.archive.org/web/20160807....com/positions

Today it's sort of missing the tax reform section....

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions

He really is just making this #### up as he goes along. Would be funny if he weren't one of the two major party candidates.

[ResAlien]

It does seem like someone convinced old carrot top to shut his face hole for a few days and let some of this die down. He's definitely been quiet, even if it is for only 72 hours or so.

[Looch City]

Trump pledges to revive Keystone XL pipeline (and make them pay for it!).

Trump for President 2016.

[photon]

Definitely trying hard to change his campaign, we'll see how long that lasts.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-t...oot-1470610338

[Senator Clay Davis]

"Titties just like Detroit" - actual sentence from the 2016 Presidential race

https://twitter.com/BenHowe/status/762695659757666304

[peter12]

Looking like the gap has narrowed to three points.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-us...-idUSKCN10G2BQ

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by peter12

Looking like the gap has narrowed to three points.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-us...-idUSKCN10G2BQ

Or gotten bigger according to literally every other poll:

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/...ecast/updates/

Hillary up 11 in the newest Monmouth poll and bigger in some others from today

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Or gotten bigger according to literally every other poll:

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/...ecast/updates/

Hillary up 11 in the newest Monmouth poll and bigger in some others from today

Interesting. +19 in a poll? Yikes.