[Rumour] Francis: Penguins want 6th OA for Fleury

[EldrickOnIce]

^ Agreed
Until Reimer signs, the Flames may not hold all the cards, but are in good shape.

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Well if all trade options are explored and the door is closed on better options than Reimer then yes, teams have the Flames over a barrel. There's no strong stance here for the Flames. Insulting the thought is one thing but not understanding that Reimer isn't the best option is another. So what if he is a free Asset, does he make the team much better? Debatable. And if thats the case, then trade for his rights and get this done. If you're going to argue that using a 5th or 6th round pick is stupid when you can just have him for free later, save it.

Reimer is the best option if every other GM insists on asking for exorbitant prices for their goalies, despite there being only one buyer. Far more likely that another GM caves before Treliving does, because I don't think that a goalie move will happen until the draft. We've a few days left of various media sources warmongering over Calgary's goalie situation until that happens, plenty of time for the other GMs to sweat it up.

[EldrickOnIce]

Tre should trade for Reimer's rights for 'future considerations'.
Ramp the pressure up a bit

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

Reimer is the best option if every other GM insists on asking for exorbitant prices for their goalies, despite there being only one buyer. Far more likely that another GM caves before Treliving does, because I don't think that a goalie move will happen until the draft. We've a few days left of various media sources warmongering over Calgary's goalie situation until that happens, plenty of time for the other GMs to sweat it up.

And then what after all the team shut the door on the Flames and Reimers agent knows it? We're gonna slap a 6x6 contract on Reimer because he knows we're going to pay because not team would trade any of their decent goalies for a fair price.

[CaptainCrunch]

Enjoy your backup role somewhere else Reimer, because there are two teams that are actively looking for a starter, Dallas and Calgary, and Dallas has an even messier cap situation then Calgary.

Calgary has the option of not signing or trading for anyone and bringing back Ramo and seeing if the new system that GG is going to put in place benefits their goaltending.

Then making a move mid next year when teams are staring at the expansion draft.

Right now when you have two teams looking for starter help and at least three goalies out there 2 for trade and one a free agent, its a buyers market.

[Coach]

I agree that a trade for Reimer's rights would really put pressure on the other teams.

To be frank, I want Reimer either way. He'll be cheap, no assets given up, and he's not discernibly worse than the other options IMO. And I'm not really a Reimer fan.

[Benched]

Originally Posted by dammage79

And then what after all the team shut the door on the Flames and Reimers agent knows it? We're gonna slap a 6x6 contract on Reimer because he knows we're going to pay because not team would trade any of their decent goalies for a fair price.

Then we roll with Ramo and Ortio again.

F that. I'd take another year with those 2 than be held hostage. Next year before expansion draft there are going to be even more goalies than this year.

[Ashasx]

Pittsburgh doesn't have any leverage in the situation. The Toronto deal should represent the optimistic ceiling for a Fleury trade. Anaheim was in a similar, but not identical situation to Pittsburgh regarding their goaltender situation. They have a young goalie (Gibson) that is probably capable who they want to move forward with. They had another goalie who was set to get a decent raise and make more money. They would only be able to protect one of them in the draft and didn't feeling like losing an asset for nothing. That is where the similarities end. Andersen did not have a no movement clause so if they really wanted to play things out with Andersen they could have. They weren't going to be forced into protecting the goalie they didn't want to. The Penguins don't have that luxury. They need to make a trade with one of their goaltenders because of Fleury's NMC.

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Ryan-...tion/177/77664

[Coach]

Agreed. There's been souring on Ramo, but he had a good finish and I think can have a bounce back. He's a small step down from Reimer, who is (barely) a small step down from Fleury who is a step down from Bishop. But I don't think the difference between any of them is going to be the difference in playoffs or not.

[CaptainCrunch]

At the end of the day a big part of the goaltending problem here last year especially at the start of the year was that defense almost seemed like a four letter word and positionally this team never got it together last year.

You can only win so much with things like heroic shot blocking and stretch passes, and we saw what happened when teams adjusted to Hartley's system.

Ramo wasn't bad when he came back up from the minors, Ortio seemed to get his poop together later last year.

If teams are going to hold us over the barrel I would be perfectly content to have Ramo and Ortio back next year behind a better positional defensive system and see how it rolls.

[Zulu29]

Originally Posted by MattyC

Agreed. There's been souring on Ramo, but he had a good finish and I think can have a bounce back. He's a small step down from Reimer, who is (barely) a small step down from Fleury who is a step down from Bishop. But I don't think the difference between any of them is going to be the difference in playoffs or not.

He's still recovering from a serious injury, I wouldn't feel comfortable with him taking the reins.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Benched

Then we roll with Ramo and Ortio again.

F that. I'd take another year with those 2 than be held hostage. Next year before expansion draft there are going to be even more goalies than this year.

This is the thing.

Even though it's a buyer's market right now, this dance is going to be replayed next summer and there will probably be even more goalies in the mix.

If everything falls through this summer, I would have no problem in running with Reimer or Ramo for a year, end up with another lottery pick, and start the hunt for a permanent goalie again next year (or at the trade deadline).

It would also give the Flames another 6 months to evaluate Ortio and Gillies and get a better handle on where those two are at.

Perfect scenario? Absolutely not. But no way should the Flames overpay in desperation at this point.

[EldrickOnIce]

That chart, if I read it correctly, correlates with what I recall from seeing Reimer. Very solid goaltender who lets in too many easy ones.
That might be easy to improve

[CaptainCrunch]

I have to say if I was the Flames GM, and I would be awesome, expense reports all around people. But I would have almost like this gag reflex that sounded suspiciously like "Suck it", whenever another GM mentioned words like 60a or first round draft pick in exchange for a goalie.

Like I said the only goalies that I give the 6oa for are young, cost controlled starters now under longer term deals.

I'm not interested in the Flames pissing away an asset like the 6th for a older goalie on a shorter deal.

[Zulu29]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

That chart, if I read it correctly, correlates with what I recall from seeing Reimer. Very solid goaltender who lets in too many easy ones.
That might be easy to improve

He's also been playing behind the terrible Leafs D. You'd think he'd improve playing behind our D.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by Zulu29

He's still recovering from a serious injury, I wouldn't feel comfortable with him taking the reins.

True, I forgot about that.

Either way, a Reimer/Ortio set is not terrible going into the season. And as CC mentioned, there were problems beyond the goalies last season, particularly early on.

If you get Reimer on a short 2-3 year deal with a friendly cap hit, and he plays decent, when the expansion draft comes you can look at moving him or just leave him exposed and pick up an upgrade perhaps.

I really think Calgary holds the ball here.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

That chart, if I read it correctly, correlates with what I recall from seeing Reimer. Very solid goaltender who lets in too many easy ones.
That might be easy to improve

Reimer is better in every category except low danger save%, which is probably the least important.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Benched

Then we roll with Ramo and Ortio again.

F that. I'd take another year with those 2 than be held hostage. Next year before expansion draft there are going to be even more goalies than this year.

I think I read somewhere that Ramo won't be game ready until Febuary, so even if the default action was to revert back to a Ramo/Ortio tandem, you'll still need a goalie for 4 months. And then how many months for Ramo to regain whatever semblance of good play he had last year?

[Zulu29]

Originally Posted by MattyC

True, I forgot about that.

Either way, a Reimer/Ortio set is not terrible going into the season. And as CC mentioned, there were problems beyond the goalies last season, particularly early on.

If you get Reimer on a short 2-3 year deal with a friendly cap hit, and he plays decent, when the expansion draft comes you can look at moving him or just leave him exposed and pick up an upgrade perhaps.

I really think Calgary holds the ball here.

Yep, going with Reimer makes a lot of sense in the current situation. Won't have to overpay, can still use our picks to keep stocking the prospect cupboards and a shorter term deal will let us cut ties if Gillies is ready or go for a new tender.

[ccivilian]

That's a hard no ...