[Rumour] G.Gulutzan front-runner for Flames HC - UPD: Hasn't been officially offered contract

[Stay Golden]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Boy you're going to look real silly if Gulutzan succeeds here...

If i am wrong I am wrong and I will say boy sure got that wrong and take my lumps. It's called manning up to your mistakes.
Go ahead hold me to it. Save the quote throw it in my face if that is what really cranks your bean. If i am wrong so be it i can live with that.
Just like if he does turn into a train wreck I'm not going to say see told you so, called it. That is not me I am not that guy.
It is unfortunate that there is such hostility on forums between posters towards others (not you persay) but that is the world we live in.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

f I am wrong if I am wrong and I will say boy sure got that wrong and take my lumps. It's called manning up to your mistakes.
Go ahead hold me to it. Save the quote throw it in my face if that is what really cranks your bean. If i am wrong so be it i can live with that.
Just like if he does turn into a train wreck I'm not going to say see told you so, called it. That is not me I am not that guy.
It is unfortunate that there is such hostility on forums between posters towards others (not you persay) but that is the world we live in.

Don't agree with you on Gulutzan, but I agree with you on the last bit. There is way too much hostility on these forums.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by bob-loblaw

Maybe Treliving is hiring both Gulutzen AND Rierden. Throwing that out there because you just never know. Plus if I'm right then I'm a CP hero. I thought I read earlier that BT wants to hire the assistant too.

Would be a lateral move for Reirden. It's likely there's a provision in his contract with Washington that he can only apply for head-coaching roles..

[heep223]

Per se

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by heep223

Per se

Wrong 90% of the time I see it online. Also, it's used about 400x more often on the internet than it is in real life.

Moot point is the same way but I think that is a meme now.

[scotty2hotty]

Basically a cow's opinion at this point.

[blender]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

If i am wrong I am wrong and I will say boy sure got that wrong and take my lumps. It's called manning up to your mistakes.
Go ahead hold me to it. Save the quote throw it in my face if that is what really cranks your bean. If i am wrong so be it i can live with that.
Just like if he does turn into a train wreck I'm not going to say see told you so, called it. That is not me I am not that guy.
It is unfortunate that there is such hostility on forums between posters towards others (not you persay) but that is the world we live in.

Fair enough.
The thing that gets me is that as much as we are passionate fans (some more than others), it seems pointless to pre-analyze a coaching hire like this (not just you, generally). We all know that GM's aren't infallible, but there is no logical reason to be so vociferously for or against any hire other than pure emotion. It will either turn into a good move or a bad one, but no one knows, so why respond in such a way?

Like most posters here I trust in management enough to feel fine about the hiring, and simply hope for the best.

[btimbit]

Honestly, I don't know much about the guy. But everything I've read indicate this could be a good move.

He seems to be following the trajectory of most good young coaches. Underwhelming first stint as a head coach, but still seems to be regarded highly and likely learned a lot from it. Hell, look at Mike Sullivan. Meh stint as Bruins HC, meh stint as Vancouver assistant, but was still highly regarded and just won the cup.

I'll reserve judgement until we see the results, but I trust Teliving

[OffsideSpecialist]

I feel better about Gulutzan than I did about Hartley when we hired him. Let's hope he can surpass Hartley on the ice as well.

[Bezer]

Not sure what to say other than I am happy it wasn't Carlyle and somewhat disappointed it wasn't Green. I am gonna just take a wait and see before I judge either way. I am gonna trust that Trelivjng's judgement for now

[Da_Chief]

So BT is a slime ball, does that make GG a slim ball?

[Stay Golden]

Originally Posted by blender

Fair enough.
The thing that gets me is that as much as we are passionate fans (some more than others), it seems pointless to pre-analyze a coaching hire like this (not just you, generally). We all know that GM's aren't infallible, but there is no logical reason to be so vociferously for or against any hire other than pure emotion. It will either turn into a good move or a bad one, but no one knows, so why respond in such a way?

Like most posters here I trust in management enough to feel fine about the hiring, and simply hope for the best.

I completely respect your post. I would prefer a candidate like Reirdon as HC. Who I wanted was Muller it sounds like the Habs obviously liked him as well as they didn't hesitate to add him as an Asst.
But Gulutzan's HC record is what it is and it is not good.
So yes your right it is going to be hope for the best now.
If someone walked into my office to be hired and I saw they failed year 1
failed in year 2
Part of what Failed 3
Succeeded in year 4
Then returned to failing in year 5.

I would only hire them if they had tremendous character and I felt they were habitually maybe because of the earth's gravitational pull he has been in the wrong situation in both NHL stays.
Maybe that is Treliving reasoning who knows. But it certainly his body of work statistically and result oriented over his 5 years in the NHL. Doesn't scream HC to me but like you said now we hope for the best.

[868904]

Originally Posted by Krynn

Who knows maybe where getting Both Reirden & Gulutzan?

If so, you can cue people like Stay Golden complaining about Treliving creating a two headed coaching monster.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

I completely respect your post. I would prefer a candidate like Reirdon as HC. Who I wanted was Muller it sounds like the Habs obviously liked him as well as they didn't hesitate to add him as an Asst.
But Gulutzan's HC record is what it is and it is not good.
So yes your right it is going to be hope for the best now.
If someone walked into my office to be hired and I saw they failed year 1
failed in year 2
Part of what Failed 3
Succeeded in year 4
Then returned to failing in year 5.

I would only hire them if they had tremendous character and I felt they were habitually maybe because of the earth's gravitational pull he has been in the wrong situation in both NHL stays.
Maybe that is Treliving reasoning who knows. But it certainly his body of work statistically and result oriented over his 5 years in the NHL. Doesn't scream HC to me but like you said now we hope for the best.

You know who else's bodies of work over their first several years of coaching in the NHL sucked?

Claude Julien missed the playoffs in 3/4 years and was fired from 2 different teams.

Alain Vigneault's record over parts of 4 seasons in MTL was hot garbage.

Both of those two have done well since. I'm sure if someone dug into they'd find tons of other examples too.

Of course, that doesn't mean Gulutzan (if hired) will go on to multiple Jack Adams nominations, or lead the Flames to contender status, but what it does mean is that if his previous record as a coach is all you have to go on then you have no good reason to flip the frack out about his possible hiring by the Flames.

There is no point to reacting to this news (rumor) the way you did, based solely on the limited information that you have. That's what I find irritating on here. An opinion is fine, but being so dramatic and over reacting to something you don't really understand before even giving it a chance is ridiculous, and it usually leads to piling on from other members.

[Da_Chief]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

I completely respect your post. I would prefer a candidate like Reirdon as HC. Who I wanted was Muller it sounds like the Habs obviously liked him as well as they didn't hesitate to add him as an Asst.
But Gulutzan's HC record is what it is and it is not good.
So yes your right it is going to be hope for the best now.
If someone walked into my office to be hired and I saw they failed year 1
failed in year 2
Part of what Failed 3
Succeeded in year 4
Then returned to failing in year 5.

I would only hire them if they had tremendous character and I felt they were habitually maybe because of the earth's gravitational pull he has been in the wrong situation in both NHL stays.
Maybe that is Treliving reasoning who knows. But it certainly his body of work statistically and result oriented over his 5 years in the NHL. Doesn't scream HC to me but like you said now we hope for the best.

Do you mean this Kirk Muller?
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p...y.php?pid=3839

The one that did not make the playoffs in either of his 3 head coaching years? Or the one that was an assistant on a stacked Blues teams, which only made it past the 1st round in one of his 2 years there?

So you wouldn't hire your above example unless they had a tremendous character, but you would hire this?

Fail the 1st year
Fail the 2nd year
Fail the 3rd year
Fail the 4th year
Succeed on a stacked team as an assistant
Likely headed for fail next year unless Price comes back with vengeance.

Maybe Gulutzen does have tremendous character, you should let things play out instead of holding a grudge against BT for firing Hartley.

[RedHot25]

I want the coach I have never heard about over the one that I have no idea about. And I will be really mad if they hire the one I have no clue about instead of the one I just learned about.

[Point Blank]

Stay Golden, My First Ignore, Before Ricardodw

[McG]

Would there be compensation due to Vancouver and what would it be?

[Frank MetaMusil]

I talked to a friend who is close to some Flames players a couple of weeks ago. The reason Hartley was fired is because he went full control freak on the coaching and wasn't letting Gelinas do his job. Hence why Marty is still around.

Hartley and Treliving had some heated discussions and it basically boiled down to Bob blaming Brad for the goaltending, and vice versa.

This same source said it would be Carlyle coaching the Flames, so take that for what it's worth.

The players really like Brad. He's very open in talks with them.

I don't know what to make of Gulutzan yet. I'm more concerned with the goalie Treliving gets. New HC won't have much of a chance if he gets Hiller calibre tending out of the gates, IMO.

[OzSome]

I don't know much about Gulutzan but obviously knew something about this guy a lot more than us that's why he is going to hire him as HC. Some people are not happy because he didn't work out while he was in Dallas and because he was an assistant coach with the hated Canucks. I don't have any opinion on him just yet and I am hoping Treliving made the right decision in hiring him to replace Hartley.

This season's Stanley Cup finalist were coached by 2 guys who got fired by another team before. Mike Sullivan coached Boston Bruins before but didn't really worked out so he got fired. Sullivan were also a former assistant coach of Vancouver Canucks. Peter DeBoer did not work out as a New Jersey Devils HC but he did really well coaching San Jose Sharks. Maybe there was a huge reason why these guys did not worked out on their former team. Maybe they learned from their past mistake. Maybe Gulutzan will follow suit. I am just glad we are not getting Randy Carlyle, Marc Crawford, Yeo and even Cameron.