06-08-2016, 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by TheScorpion
Sorry if I'm being blunt, but why do you have the right to criticize every single thing I do? You're actually derailing this thread by introducing me into this equation.
I'm trying to run a summer activity. Other people do rankings like this all the time - do you get all huffy when they post daily polls? You don't have to be a total jerk about it, just because it's me. Give me a break.
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When some people join this board they tend to, at the beginning, post far too much to the point of coming across as spamming and, therefore, a social contract is broken to which some individuals take offence. It's the old cliche that does apply, less is more. By actually discussing, not only topical subjects, but good analysis and depth discussion you will find that the community will embrace you far more and they will respond in kind with good analysis and depth discussion. Some people understand this and some don't. Sometimes it looks like you post just to get yourself noticed. This could be by accident, but it is food for thought and it should encourage you to hash out your conversation starters before you post them.
People who continually break the social contract tend to not last long here.
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06-08-2016, 01:32 PM
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#42
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Northern Crater
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Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen
I agree that his two-way game has never been better, but I don't know if I would discount him getting 100+ points. Under Sullivan he put up 66 points in 52 regular season games. That's a 104 point pace.
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Not discounting him, I could see it happening too. Wouldn't surprise me if he didn't either. Either way, he's better overall than he ever was and 100+ points is a rare thing these days for anyone.
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06-08-2016, 01:35 PM
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#43
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Income Tax Central
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I'll always remember the Pens/Caps series a few years ago when Crosby and Ovechkin traded hat-tricks and Ovechkin was over the moon whereas Crosby just fished the puck out of the net and brought it back to center ice.
Always loved that. Killer instinct. Real leadership.
"Yeah, I scored a hattrick, the game isnt over yet lets get back to work."
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06-08-2016, 01:44 PM
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#44
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Basement Chicken Choker
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: In a land without pants, or war, or want. But mostly we care about the pants.
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Meh, he's like a shorter, much more driven and skilled Colbourne - but, as I've mentioned, I hate his stupid face.
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06-08-2016, 01:52 PM
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#45
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Calgary
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I think he was rightfully criticized for his whiny behavior earlier in his career. But now he is a real leader. Thornton and Vlasic have been trying to get him off his game with cheap shots and face-washes, but he is a driven man right now. Not sure he will get the Conn Smythe, but I think he deserves it.
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06-08-2016, 01:56 PM
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#46
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: About 5200 Miles from the Dome
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The guy isn't necessarily the most talented guy in the league, but he has the most drive out of anyone whilst playing bigger than he really is with exceptional talent and ability to deliver his vision. He is undoubtedly the best player in the world for the last 5 to 8 years imo. He is what every hockey player should Aspire to be especially since he toned down the constant whinging.
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06-08-2016, 02:19 PM
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#47
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814
Who has the Hall of Fame waived the waiting period for? I know they let Mario in because of the cancer thing, and I would assume they just let Gretzky in. Anyone else?
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Not 100% sure. To be honest, I had Lemieux on my mind when I made that post.
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06-08-2016, 02:23 PM
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#48
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Self-Suspension
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Originally Posted by To Be Quite Honest
When some people join this board they tend to, at the beginning, post far too much to the point of coming across as spamming and, therefore, a social contract is broken to which some individuals take offence. It's the old cliche that does apply, less is more. By actually discussing, not only topical subjects, but good analysis and depth discussion you will find that the community will embrace you far more and they will respond in kind with good analysis and depth discussion. Some people understand this and some don't. Sometimes it looks like you post just to get yourself noticed. This could be by accident, but it is food for thought and it should encourage you to hash out your conversation starters before you post them.
People who continually break the social contract tend to not last long here.
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Disagree, there is no social contract. People are free to speak as frequently or not as they choose. This social contract is fabricated by your own bias and is entirely not universal and entirely not agreed upon.
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06-08-2016, 02:32 PM
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#49
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Section 222
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I think Harry Caray said it best when he stated "You're only as good as your last at bat." Just something to think about.
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06-08-2016, 02:39 PM
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#50
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
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Originally Posted by Locke
Crosby is one of those rare players that got insane hype and billing and I dont think anyone can claim he hasnt lived up to it.
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I don't know about that. Some of the hype was way over the top at the time with some claiming he would be the next Gretzky.
I would definitely say Crosby has arguably been the best player in the league for most of the past decade, but not head and shoulders above his peers like Gretzky or even Lemieux was for a short period of time. I put him in the same group as players like Jagr, Ovechkin, Kurri, etc...
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06-08-2016, 02:40 PM
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#51
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GOAT!
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I think Crosby is what happens when you combine Sean Monahan and Johnny Gaudreau into one player.
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06-08-2016, 02:50 PM
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#52
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Income Tax Central
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Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction
I don't know about that. Some of the hype was way over the top at the time with some claiming he would be the next Gretzky.
I would definitely say Crosby has arguably been the best player in the league for most of the past decade, but not head and shoulders above his peers like Gretzky or even Lemieux was for a short period of time. I put him in the same group as players like Jagr, Ovechkin, Kurri, etc...
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Well that comparison was flawed to begin with.
Gretzky was head and shoulders above his 'peers' because most of his peers sucked.
I dont get the pining for the NHL product of the 80s and 90s. It was largely pretty grim.
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06-08-2016, 02:54 PM
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#53
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: I'm right behind you
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Quote:
Originally Posted by FanIn80
I think Crosby is what happens when you combine Sean Monahan and Johnny Gaudreau into one player.
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Similar results can also be achieved by putting Jonathan Toews and Patrick Kane together in one form.
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06-08-2016, 03:02 PM
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#55
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Locke
Well that comparison was flawed to begin with.
Gretzky was head and shoulders above his 'peers' because most of his peers sucked.
I dont get the pining for the NHL product of the 80s and 90s. It was largely pretty grim.
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LOL what? The majority of the all time highest scoring players in NHL history are Gretzky's peers. He played in the league the same time as every single player in the top 30 all time except Johnny Bucyk. He played in an era that will likely go down as the golden age for offensive hockey in the NHL.
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06-08-2016, 03:05 PM
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#56
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Originally Posted by troutman
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34th all time in goals per game though.
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06-08-2016, 03:08 PM
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#57
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Locke
Gretzky was head and shoulders above his 'peers' because most of his peers sucked.
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Gretzky posted 1800+ points in the 1980s. No one else even posted 1100. He was head and shoulders above all his peers, not just the ones that sucked. It's insulting to players like Bossy, Stastny and Savard when the argument that Gretzky's peers sucked and the biggest reason he got the points he did was the era he played in.
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06-08-2016, 03:14 PM
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#58
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by troutman
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Have to be careful with a stat like that for active players because he hasn't had his declining years yet.
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06-08-2016, 03:16 PM
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#59
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Income Tax Central
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen
Gretzky posted 1800+ points in the 1980s. No one else even posted 1100. He was head and shoulders above all his peers, not just the ones that sucked. It's insulting to players like Bossy, Stastny and Savard when the argument that Gretzky's peers sucked and the biggest reason he got the points he did was the era he played in.
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Okay, 'peers' isnt the right word as many of those guys were great players, how about : the average talent level was very low.
You had great players, good players and whole lot of filler.
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06-08-2016, 03:25 PM
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#60
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Originally Posted by Locke
Okay, 'peers' isnt the right word as many of those guys were great players, how about: the average talent level was very low.
You had great players, good players and whole lot of filler.
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I think thats reflected in the high goals per game of that era to which Gretzky benefitted from as much as anyone else that played then.
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