STH Info Sessions (May 24, May 25, June 15)

[Caged Great]

Home plate is the area in front of the net that are the highest danger areas. Goalies with great sv% in those areas tend to be the actual best goalies, rather than guys that make a ton of saves from the perimeter. That's part of the reason why goalies that are on high structured teams like Anaheim or Chicago tend to struggle when they go elsewhere because they are not facing a high amount of dangerous shots, thereby inflating their save % and goals against. That's part of the reason Fasth, Scrivens, Niemi etc fall apart when placed on inferior team defenses. You would expect the save %'s to go down naturally by a bit, but they tend to fall apart in those cases.

If you have a goalie that has a high "Home Plate" save %, and you add that guy to a team with structured defense, there's a good chance you'll be vying for the cup.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Racki

I wonder how often Treliving has thought, "I wish this guy would shut his mouth and let me do my job"

I bet he's glad Burke is there to spin his blarney and let Treliving do his job with that much less media attention. Nothing Burke or anyone says at these things mean anything. They're PR exercises. Do people really think the players and other GMs hang on every word spouted by a blowhard like Burke at these events? Nobody outside the people present and a few hundred uber-fans on this forum give a moment's thought to what's said at these things.

[BeltlineFan]

I was there last night and I remember Burke mentioning all those things except the Dubnyk/home plate/advanced stats comment, but that may have been when my wife asked who tieless sonic was and I just didn't hear it.

As for the Colborne comment, Burke was just saying that he wants to keep him but for a reasonable price. The 3.6 million number is what Burke thinks he will get in arbitration, and he is not going to pay that for a not-black-and-blue 42 point player who scored all his points in March. (His words, not mine)

[heep223]

Are we all just ignoring the Bollig comment? Did Burke not watch the games this season? Oh ya, 'black and blue'. Right.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by heep223

Are we all just ignoring the Bollig comment? Did Burke not watch the games this season? Oh ya, 'black and blue'. Right.

Guys on the Fan this morning made a pretty good point.
(Paraphrasing) Regardless of how much they want Bollig to play, it will be Bollig's play that dictates how much ice he sees.

In other words, none of us should be that worried.

[Fischy13]

Originally Posted by heep223

Are we all just ignoring the Bollig comment? Did Burke not watch the games this season? Oh ya, 'black and blue'. Right.

Maybe they are starting to build him up so they can sell high at the trade deadline this year... Would be a good addition to a playoff team.

[kehatch]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Guys on the Fan this morning made a pretty good point.
(Paraphrasing) Regardless of how much they want Bollig to play, it will be Bollig's play that dictates how much ice he sees.

In other words, none of us should be that worried.

Agreed. Just like it will be Ferland that dictates where he is placed in the line up.

That said, it's a bit of an arrogant comment to make without a coach hired and before camp has even begun.

[gargamel]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Guys on the Fan this morning made a pretty good point.
(Paraphrasing) Regardless of how much they want Bollig to play, it will be Bollig's play that dictates how much ice he sees.

In other words, none of us should be that worried.

Bollig's play dictated how much he played this season, but Burke indicted that Hartley didn't play him enough during the black and blue hockey interview following Hartley's firing.

[Toonage]

I suppose there are two ways of looking at it.
- Systemically, Bollig didn't fit in with the speed game Hartley tried playing and they feel his size and his game would be better suited to whatever new style they plan on deploying
- Burke is both attempting to appease the masses that want a tougher style, and talking out of his butt

[Monahan For Mayor]

Bollig would have had more ice time. If he didn't get a penalty 5 seconds into every shift he took.

[Monahan For Mayor]

James Reimer had one of the highest high danger save percentages in the league last season. No doubt he's a target.

[Inglewood Jack]

so what is it they want then, possession or playing Bollig, because those two things won't co-exist. if it's for truculence and to protect guys like Johnny, again how does that work because he's not on Johnny's line, so the only thing he can do is come out the shift after and take a retaliation penalty.

for my own sanity I'm just going to assume that's all part of the Burke show, and sensible decisions will follow when the season actually begins.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by Inglewood Jack

so what is it they want then, possession or playing Bollig, because those two things won't co-exist. if it's for truculence and to protect guys like Johnny, again how does that work because he's not on Johnny's line, so the only thing he can do is come out the shift after and take a retaliation penalty.

for my own sanity I'm just going to assume that's all part of the Burke show, and sensible decisions will follow when the season actually begins.

Not a huge fan of Bollig, but I think the implication is that Hartley's system or simple lack of faith in Bollig, reduced him to useless 4th liner, when he has more talent than that. Not sure if there is clear evidence of that talent, but BT clearly saw something more, given the acquisition cost.

Bottom line is that truculence or "black and blue" and possession are not mutually exclusive. Perhaps Bollig (and Ferland and Bouma...) can elevate their games with a more aggressive forecheck, cycling type of game. I think this, along with a much more aggressive defensive system, is what they are looking for.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

I assume referring to this:

http://www.hockeyabstract.com/testim...savepercentage

Originally Posted by Monahan For Mayor

James Reimer had one of the highest high danger save percentages in the league last season. No doubt he's a target.

Yup - that was really an interesting comment to me.

Reimer has one of the best even strength high danger save percentage over the last 3 seasons, and he really is exceptional in that area.

Personally if that is the criteria then I wouldn't be surprised if he was a target.

Pickard and Vasilevskiy are other names that stand out near the top of that list as well - so wouldn't be surprised if they were trade targets.

[Fischy13]

So, we are pretty sure they feed these STH sessions and media interview to throw off other teams and make them think hard on who they will take. Now I look at a different angle. You think Burke and Conroy's comments about using a second round pick or two, to trade for a goalie is a smoke screen to Reimer and his agent?? To get him for cheaper? Especially if he does fit the "home plate" goalie?

Fun and games. I like it.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Fischy13

So, we are pretty sure they feed these STH sessions and media interview to throw off other teams and make them think hard on who they will take. Now I look at a different angle. You think Burke and Conroy's comments about using a second round pick or two, to trade for a goalie is a smoke screen to Reimer and his agent?? To get him for cheaper? Especially if he does fit the "home plate" goalie?

Fun and games. I like it.

Don't see how that gets you Reimer cheaper? If anything, if flames can't make a trade for a goalie before July 1st, I would think Reimers agent would have an upper hand. Lets face it, Reimer is the only goalie on the UFA market that would make sense to go for as a starter. His agent can just turn to flames GM and say take our price or go with your second option. What's flames second option on UFA market? Ward, Enroth? LOL.

[Jay Random]

There's no law saying the Flames can't make a trade for a goalie after July 1.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

What's a "home plate" goalie?

A goalie with high Medium Danger and High Danger save percentages,

In other words Burke is saying he's looking for a goalie with a positive Adjusted Goals Saved Above Average rate. (adjGSAA/60) moreso than a goalie with a glorified save percentage from stopping 40 foot floaters.

[Rick M.]

Originally Posted by Inglewood Jack

so what is it they want then, possession or playing Bollig, because those two things won't co-exist. if it's for truculence and to protect guys like Johnny, again how does that work because he's not on Johnny's line, so the only thing he can do is come out the shift after and take a retaliation penalty.

for my own sanity I'm just going to assume that's all part of the Burke show, and sensible decisions will follow when the season actually begins.

The instigator penalty makes the idea of someone protecting a more fragile player obsolete. If the other team cheap shots your skill players your team needs to make their skill payers pay. You don't need Bollig for that.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

There's no law saying the Flames can't make a trade for a goalie after July 1.

True. But those draft picks wouldn't be in play. Draft is most likely time/place for a trade.