Best Daenerys description ever: "Daenerys, Queen of Wandering in Circles, Lengthener of Chapters, The Unhurried, Destroyer of Momentum, and Mother of Dragging On"
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No talk of the most recent episode? One of the better episodes of the last two seasons.
Lots of new developments in the story and characters walking back from the edge of irrelevance into the core plot.
It looks like Theon will play the role of Victarion in the book. He'll be dispatched to take Daenarys' dragons with the dragon whistle by Euron. And that's how Dany will get her ships to cross the sea.
Still feel the Rickon story is a feign by the Umbers to bring Jon Snow into the fight for the north or to dislodge Ramsay from Winterfell and fight at the wall. I think we'll see the resolution of the Ramsay story this season and then the battle with the White Walkers will take up the whole northern story next season.
Arya will be making her way back to collect on the debts of the Iron Bank. She'll be the one to dispatch of Robert Strong I presume but not before Robert kills most likely Kevan.
Have to think Baelish is waiting for the right moment to moon door that kid and take the Vale as his own.
Really like how Dany didn't need the dragon to rule the Dothraki. That's a good plot element, she needs to emerge as the ascendant ruler under her own power not the power of her dragons or other characters. Scenes like that do a good job of establishing that without the long-form freedom that the novels have had.
Have to think Baelish is waiting for the right moment to moon door that kid and take the Vale as his own.
He can't kill the kid. Robin is the Lord of the Vale. Littlefinger is just Robin's mother's second husband. The only reason he has any authority is because the kid will listen to him.
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He can't kill the kid. Robin is the Lord of the Vale. Littlefinger is just Robin's mother's second husband. The only reason he has any authority is because the kid will listen to him.
Understood, but there's nothing like a war to thin out the ranks of generals opposed to him in the Vale and consolidate his own power base. Once that's done there's no need for Lord Robin who will then be properly disposed of.
The only thing is that Baelish is almost certainly unsatisfied with just ruling the Vale. He's eyeing the whole prize.
Maybe it's part of Littlefinger's master plan to whittle down the armies of Westeros to make it easier for a certain blonde haired heiress to take them over. He's played for both sides of war between the Lannisters and Starks now, and appears to be keen on backing Team Jon against the Boltons. Maybe he and Varys have been in cahoots this whole time.
I find that as the show goes on it has less and less in common with Martin's writing so I don't think I can really compare the two anymore. There have been a few scenes and lines that just made me cringe, Danny in the fire, Robin all of a sudden thinking of executing his most trusted adviser and family friend, do you honestly think any sane soldier would follow that little twit or Baelish? "My watch has ended!!!!" and "Now the Vale enters the fray!!!" or whatever the hell they said. I fully expected Arnie to pop up and tell someone to get to the CHOPPA!!
Speaking of helicopters, it appears Baelish owns one or two with his ability to jump around Westeros. Winterfell to Kings Landing to the Vale and now according to next weeks preview back up to the North somewhere? How is this happening? I guess the timelines are occurring at different lengths? How long has Sansa been at the wall? Long enough for him to get from the Vale to the North apparently.
I don't even care enough to argue it, whether you agree with me or not, but that is how I feel. I enjoy the fact that we are seeing progress, I just hate the fact that it had to come at the expense of quality writing. At least anyone who thought the show would ruin the books for them can rest easy, there is no way that Martin puts out .. crap, for a lack of a better term, like this.
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The books actually have the same timeline issues and IIRC Martin has a disclaimer at the front of the books that the chapters do not all happen in a straight linear timeline. He explicitly explains that for the purpose of the story and being being able to keep the narrative in line he jumps from story to story and from timeline to timeline. Sometimes they end up matching and characters meet up. Other times it is necessary to understand that for the purpose of storytelling, one event is understood to have happened weeks, if not months before or after another chapter/scene that we read/see at the same time.
The show is a massive improvement in the storytelling and narrative arc of the series.
And that is where our opinions differ so much we can never come to a reasonable agreement. I have thoroughly enjoyed every chapter Martin has put out. I have never found myself bored while reading his books. This is compared to every other major fantasy series out there such as WoT or Malazan. To me Martin has always been a step above the rest and I love the fact he weaves in these 'dead ends' where characters can disappear. I think he is trying to invoke our inner roleplay where we are left to come to our own conclusions on these things.
When he started his books the internet was in its fledgling days, by the time people started congregating to discuss theories there was so many different ones out there it was just mind boggling. I remember having my mind blown a few times and THAT is the power of great writing. Over the years these theories have been wittled down to the most popular and also as more books come out so have more clues. But Martin really set the tone on what a fantasy series should be, it is unfortunate that the show has now decided to do those books a disservice and pander to the hollywood crowd.
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And that is where our opinions differ so much we can never come to a reasonable agreement. I have thoroughly enjoyed every chapter Martin has put out. I have never found myself bored while reading his books. This is compared to every other major fantasy series out there such as WoT or Malazan. To me Martin has always been a step above the rest and I love the fact he weaves in these 'dead ends' where characters can disappear. I think he is trying to invoke our inner roleplay where we are left to come to our own conclusions on these things.
When he started his books the internet was in its fledgling days, by the time people started congregating to discuss theories there was so many different ones out there it was just mind boggling. I remember having my mind blown a few times and THAT is the power of great writing. Over the years these theories have been wittled down to the most popular and also as more books come out so have more clues. But Martin really set the tone on what a fantasy series should be, it is unfortunate that the show has now decided to do those books a disservice and pander to the hollywood crowd.
I agree with you until the end. A book should be a good book, and the visual screenplay doesn't allow for the same nuances nor should it. A book can be long and winding and full of inner dialogue. A screen adaptation shouldn't. It's totally fine by me that they don't follow the same script and they can stand alone each as entertaining in their own right
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I disagree, Did Sansa not escape Winterfell in the books with the intent of heading north?
The show didn't exactly do anything else other then show them together
Since this is the book thread...
No, Sansa has not returned to Winterfell in the books. The Lannisters sent Jeyne Poole to Winterfell posing as Arya Stark. She's the one who escaped from Winterfell with Theon.
Sansa is still in the Vale with Sweetrobin, posing as Littlefinger's daughter.
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No, Sansa has not returned to Winterfell in the books. The Lannisters sent Jeyne Poole to Winterfell posing as Arya Stark. She's the one who escaped from Winterfell with Theon.
Sansa is still in the Vale with Sweetrobin, posing as Littlefinger's daughter.
Ya touche, been too long, forgot about that! People blending together.
Really didn't like how they handled the Iron Islands scenes. Completely overlooked the importance and subtleties of the Kingsmoot. Aeron, the foundation of all Ironborn lore and tradition, is entirely neglected. A few cheers, Euron is king, decides to kill Theon and Yara (Asha), and Aeron is on board and stands aside. Lame.
You've royally ####ed up Dorne, so please don't #### up the other peripheral regional storylines like the Iron Islands. Although I am glad they have decided to integrate the Daenerys stuff.
I will be interested to see how Martin chose to integrate the Hodor/Hold the Door aspect the show went with.
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