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Old 05-04-2016, 11:20 AM   #381
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I mean lets be honest though, a thread never really gets rolling until someone drops the C-Bomb.
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Old 05-04-2016, 11:22 AM   #382
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Asked whether Alberta would declare state of emergency, Notley says "We're not at that point yet." #YMMFire
https://twitter.com/CBCEdmonton/stat...01263220908037


That can't be true. Now, I don't know what declaring it a state of emergency actually entails but this absolutely blows my mind. I mean, honestly? Hell, you'd think she'd declare it just to ease the mind of the people up there who are now thinking "um WTF you don't think this is a god damn emergency".

If true, and that's a completely unverified if because I didn't actually hear her, this one statement (perhaps along with the delay in military assistance request) is going to bring Notley down. And that is a 100% unpartisan statement I promise.


edit: it doesn't look as though this is referring to her fentanyl comments recently...it reads as if it is referring to the fire. Did anyone hear her say this?
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Old 05-04-2016, 11:22 AM   #383
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From the C.A.F. FB:

The Canadian Armed Forces are preparing to provide assistance to the people of Fort McMurray and will act in support of Public Safety Canada, the Government of Alberta, and the first responders managing the situation on the ground.

https://www.facebook.com/CanadianFor...129730?fref=nf
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Old 05-04-2016, 11:23 AM   #384
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Given that armed forces pressed into firefighting require some training (24 to 36 hours), then I assume what will help is airlift and heli support. Good to see that is being provided. Those C-17s can carry a heck of a lot of stuff that is needed on the ground.
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Old 05-04-2016, 11:24 AM   #385
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Wow, what a nut. Imagine the heat this would be giving off Edit: apparently this is a different fire from last year somewhere else. Still neat though


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Old 05-04-2016, 11:29 AM   #387
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Guys, I am so sad about this. I don't live in Fort Mac nor does it affect me directly, but boy am I sad and my heart breaks for the people.

I can't imagine what those good people are going through.

I take comfort in the huge positive response from Albertans, and I hope the people of Fort Mac do too. This is unbelievable.
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Old 05-04-2016, 11:29 AM   #388
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That can't be true. Now, I don't know what declaring it a state of emergency actually entails but this absolutely blows my mind. I mean, honestly? Hell, you'd think she'd declare it just to ease the mind of the people up there who are now thinking "um WTF you don't think this is a god damn emergency".
Definition: A government or division of government (i.e. on a municipal, provincial/state level) may declare that their area is in a state of emergency. This means that the government can suspend and/or change some functions of the executive, the legislative and/or the judiciary during this period of time. It alerts citizens to change their normal behavior and orders government agencies to implement emergency plans. A government can declare a state of emergency during a time of natural or human-made disaster, during a period of civil unrest, or following a declaration of war or situation of international/internal armed conflict. Justitium is its equivalent in Roman law, where Senate could put forward senatus consultum ultimum. It can also be used as a rationale (or pretext) for suspending rights and freedoms guaranteed under a country's constitution or basic law. The procedure for and legality of doing so varies by country.


Canada Specific: The federal government of Canada can use the Emergencies Act to invoke a state of emergency. A national state of emergency automatically expires after 90 days, unless extended by the Governor-in-Council.[10] There are different levels of emergencies: Public Welfare Emergency, Public Order Emergency, International Emergency, and War Emergency.[11]
The Emergencies Act replaced the War Measures Act in 1988. The War Measures Act was invoked three times in Canadian history, most controversially during the FLQ Crisis. During World War I (against threat of Communism from 1914 to 1920) and World War II (perceived threat by Japanese Canadians after Pearl Harbor from 1942 to 1945) the Act was enacted for the duration of both of the two world wars.
Under the current Emergency Act a state of emergency can also be declared by provincial, territorial, and municipal governments.[12] In addition Canada's federal government and any of its provincial governments can suspend, for five years at a time, Charter rights to fundamental freedoms in section 2, to legal rights in sections 7 through 14, and to equality rights in section 15 by legislation which invokes the notwithstanding clause, section 33, and therefore emergency powers can effectively be created even without using the Emergency Act.


What would declaring it do that isn't already being done? I'm pretty sure that the surrounding agencies for Ft. Mac have "implemented emergency plans" already. All the rest is government related.

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Wow, what a nut. Imagine the heat this would be giving off
Whoever posted that is a liar - that was originally posted last September.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=or7t...RickyBarksdale


EDIT:BTW - they probably are monetizing that video so they get paid for views. You may want to remove the link so they don't profit from this disaster.
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I really applaud the government for how calm they have been.
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From the C.A.F. FB:

The Canadian Armed Forces are preparing to provide assistance to the people of Fort McMurray and will act in support of Public Safety Canada, the Government of Alberta, and the first responders managing the situation on the ground.

https://www.facebook.com/CanadianFor...129730?fref=nf
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Old 05-04-2016, 11:32 AM   #392
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Also, this facebook group may be of help for those with pets.

https://www.facebook.com/Fort-McMurr...93011/?fref=nf
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Whoever posted that is a liar - that was originally posted last September.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=or7t...RickyBarksdale
Thanks, good to know
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Old 05-04-2016, 11:32 AM   #394
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Video from one of my #firefighters taken am. #ymmfire he fought all night non stop. Said he ate a lot of bad smoke

https://twitter.com/firefighters1st/...76626269134849

Video is crazy
Man, that's gotta be some toxic air with everything in those houses vaporized.
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At this time, I can confirm:

- DND response will be RCAF airlift (initial a/c is a Herc I believe). CAF aviation assets currently situated at Ft Mac airport.

- the Province has not requested a ground component.

- The order of move for any ground components: 1 CMBG Immediate Reaction Unit, 1 CMBG, 41 CBG (Primary Reserve). Joint Task Force (W) (JTFW) issued a Warning Order last night but it hasn't filtered down to me.

- 41 CBG does not currently have a Notice to Move. I can't confirm the other formations.
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CNRL Horizon is flying out all non-essential employees to get rooms ready for evacuated individuals. The offices are emptying out.

I will be sticking around up here though

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Old 05-04-2016, 11:45 AM   #397
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Flood damage was $5B, they'll blow past that today if not already.

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Old 05-04-2016, 11:51 AM   #398
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I don't know if this was mentioned earlier but the Fort Mac airport is closed now.
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Old 05-04-2016, 11:54 AM   #399
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Flood damage was $5B, they'll blow past that today if not already.
1600 Structures @ ~$500K to replace each (Assuming mostly housing) = $800M, but of course that doesnt account for infrastructure repair, temp housing, + more damage in the coming days. $5B could very well be exceeded
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I heard on the radio this morning that part of the reason they aren't bringing in a tonne of ground personnel is they don't have the resources.

If you bring in thousands of military and/or Calgary/Edmonton responders you need to feed, clothe and shelter them, something that they are lacking at this point. They are likely doing damage control at this point and will need the resources for "rebuild" if and when that is possible.
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