2016 NHL Draft

[Commandant]

Our draft headquarters is open.

http://lastwordonsports.com/2016-nhl...t-headquarters

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by Commandant

Our draft headquarters is open.

http://lastwordonsports.com/2016-nhl...t-headquarters

thanks.

Interesting to see how Chychrun was ranked #2 in the preseason and November rankings, but slipped down to 5 now. Haven't followed the prospect paths, but is this more a case of the Finns having strong years/WJC tournaments, or Chychrun disappointing?

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

thanks.

Interesting to see how Chychrun was ranked #2 in the preseason and November rankings, but slipped down to 5 now. Haven't followed the prospect paths, but is this more a case of the Finns having strong years/WJC tournaments, or Chychrun disappointing?

Well I think overall he had a stronger year last year and that is where some people are disappointed. But it could be a bit of a case of over-scouting in Chychrun's case. A lot of these super highly regarded guys are seen so often that you start to pick apart their games so much you can overemphasize their current shortcomings or start to question their upside. Recent examples of this happening that I can remember off the top of my head include Aaron Ekblad who seems to have turned out fine and John Tavares who seems to have turned out fine. Obviously Ekblad and Tavares were more highly ranked but had similar questions about whether they should drop or not in their draft year.

http://www.thedraftanalyst.com/nhl-d...16/march-2016/

There's an example of an independent scout who still thinks Chychrun is a franchise defender and therefore he has him #2 right now. Wouldn't surprise me if a few teams feel that way as well (that he's a franchise d-man) although I suspect many would still have Laine ahead of him and therefore have him #3 or #4.

It's interesting. It'll depend on the individual teams and how their head scout and OHL scouts view him. I suspect there will be a difference of opinion. Wouldn't surprise me if a team has him as high as #3. Wouldn't surprise me if a team has him as low as #10. I think this draft is wide open after the first 3.

If I had to guess I would guess the Flames have him top 6. Wouldn't surprise me if he was as high as #4 for the Flames.

[Johnny Rotten]

Does anyone really know how many picks the Flames have-as of now- for the 2106 draft? I count [I]maybe[I] eleven:

First round- 1 pick (maybe two-depending on Dallas)
Second round- 3 picks (maybe two-depending on Dallas)
Third round- 1 pick
Fourth round- 2 picks (maybe two depending on Reinhart trade)
Fifth round- 1 pick
Sixth round- 2 picks (Jones trade)
Seventh round- 1 pick (maybe none depending on Hamilton trade)

I've read some on the matter, but nothing definite I don't think.

Thank you.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

I believe it's been confirmed we don't get anything for Reinhart and don't give up anything for Hamilton.

[Johnny Rotten]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

I believe it's been confirmed we don't get anything for Reinhart and don't give up anything for Hamilton.

Thank you... I just found a site that shows/states the same thing. I must have passed over it before:

http://www.prosportstransactions.com...Years/2016.htm

Looks like ten picks.

[Commandant]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

thanks.

Interesting to see how Chychrun was ranked #2 in the preseason and November rankings, but slipped down to 5 now. Haven't followed the prospect paths, but is this more a case of the Finns having strong years/WJC tournaments, or Chychrun disappointing?

Chychrun has been good, but given his 16 year old season, i expected a bigger progression this year than we got. Couple that with the Finns having not just a breakout World Junior tournament but both being good in the SM-Liiga and you see he dropped a little.

[JJ1532]

Originally Posted by Johnny Rotten

Does anyone really know how many picks the Flames have-as of now- for the 2106 draft? I count [I]maybe[I] eleven:

First round- 1 pick (maybe two-depending on Dallas)
Second round- 3 picks (maybe two-depending on Dallas)
Third round- 1 pick
Fourth round- 2 picks (maybe two depending on Reinhart trade)
Fifth round- 1 pick
Sixth round- 2 picks (Jones trade)
Seventh round- 1 pick (maybe none depending on Hamilton trade)

I've read some on the matter, but nothing definite I don't think.

Thank you.

For the 2106 draft? Dunno bud.

For the 2016 draft, we have 10.

http://flames.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=876635

All of our own, plus an extra 2nd from Florida(Hudler), a 2nd/1st from Dallas(Russell) and an extra 6th from the Wild(Jones).

[CalgaryFan1988]

Am I the only one who likes Nylander at #4 after the Finns?

I just don't get the love for Tkachuk and especially Dubois.

Obviously they are all good, I just mean I don't see the big difference to warrant picking them over Nylander.



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[868904]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

Am I the only one who likes Nylander at #4 after the Finns?

I just don't get the love for Tkachuk and especially Dubois.

Obviously they are all good, I just mean I don't see the big difference to warrant picking them over Nylander.



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Probably size.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by 868904

Probably size.

Possibly, I just think finally having a right handed shot in the top 6 trumps size at the moment (Mind you a guy like Laine has it all).

[nightfx]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

Am I the only one who likes Nylander at #4 after the Finns?

I just don't get the love for Tkachuk and especially Dubois.

Obviously they are all good, I just mean I don't see the big difference to warrant picking them over Nylander.



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I'd take Dubois at 4 for sure. It's a tough choice for me between Nylander and Tkachuk though. Nylander has potential to be a very solid 1st line RW but the thought of having Tkachuk and Bennett on the same line would be amazing because they both love to be around the net.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

Am I the only one who likes Nylander at #4 after the Finns?

I just don't get the love for Tkachuk and especially Dubois.

Obviously they are all good, I just mean I don't see the big difference to warrant picking them over Nylander.

The NHL is still a game of board battles and net front battles. You need to win board battles to retain possession of the puck in the offensive zone. Many goals are scored by screening the goalie or tipping the puck in front. As such you need a big, strong powerforward who can drive the net, screen the goalie, get deflections, win board battles but also who is skilled enough to play with your best players. These types of players are rare, that's why every team wants a Lucic type. Currently the Flames top powerforward outlooks for our top two lines are Ferland and Colborne. Obviously they can be upgraded on. Tkachuk and Dubois play a powerforward style but also have high skill and hockey sense.

Nylander is a sublimely skilled forward. But we already have quite a few skill guys who aren't powerforwards in Gaudreau, Monahan, and Shinkaruk. Bennett plays a petty powerful game but he could still use some powerforward wingers.

I think powerforward is a huge organizational need for us especially since we're in a division with the Kings and Ducks, two of the most powerforward heavy teams in the league. Getting an averaged sized purely skilled forward doesnt address our needs as fully IMO.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

Am I the only one who likes Nylander at #4 after the Finns?

I just don't get the love for Tkachuk and especially Dubois.

Obviously they are all good, I just mean I don't see the big difference to warrant picking them over Nylander.



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You're not the only one. This is the way I see it:

Draft 7 or higher = win

Disregarding size and physicality I would take Nylander 4th. He is not even small but I can see the upside of Tkachuk, Chychrun and Dubois as well.

[expatflame]

So worst Calgary could draft is 8th right?

[Bingo]

Could still pass Winnipeg for 6th spot and drop three more in the lottery to 9th

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by Commandant

Chychrun has been good, but given his 16 year old season, i expected a bigger progression this year than we got. Couple that with the Finns having not just a breakout World Junior tournament but both being good in the SM-Liiga and you see he dropped a little.

Chychrun played a fair bit of forward in his age 16 year which is why he ended up with so many goals last year. I think he's progressed fine if you consider that.

[Flaming Choy]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

Am I the only one who likes Nylander at #4 after the Finns?

I just don't get the love for Tkachuk and especially Dubois.

Obviously they are all good, I just mean I don't see the big difference to warrant picking them over Nylander.

Side question, but which is the better Nylander between Alex and William? Kind of sucks always having the less talented brother if we go this route (Bure, Granlund, Neidermeyer, Seabrook...ect)

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by Flaming Choy

Side question, but which is the better Nylander between Alex and William? Kind of sucks always having the less talented brother if we go this route (Bure, Granlund, Neidermeyer, Seabrook...ect)

Hard to say.. you'd probably have to compare their age 16 seasons since William didn't come over to the OHL at 17. I believe the general feeling is that William is the better one but that may be revisionist history given his success in the pros.

Looks like William was a much better scorer at 16 (43 pts in 27 games in Super Elite league - whatever that is, while Alex had 40 pts in 42 games). Alex did play on the under 20 team at 17 while William didn't.

[SportsJunky]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

I think powerforward is a huge organizational need for us especially since we're in a division with the Kings and Ducks, two of the most powerforward heavy teams in the league. Getting an averaged sized purely skilled forward doesnt address our needs as fully IMO.

After watching the Ducks v Kings game last night, I agree. Getzlaf, who isn't a tiny guy, was getting worked over by the L.A. defense. Both those teams seem playoff ready. Lots of bruisers on both sides.