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sureLoss · 03-28-2016, 12:42 PM

Majority of fans just stat watch.

Few actually see the players, but already are ready to serve judgement on prospects.

Flames Draft Watcher · 03-28-2016, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

When you say 'more than a 2nd', how much more could he realistically get in your eyes? He's definitely not worth a 1st, that's the price for established NHLers or blue chippers. Are you thinking 2nd+4th/C prospect or something? I mean, I guess it's possible, I just wouldn't bet on it is all.

He could be worth a late 1st. David Rundblad was traded for the pick Vlad Tarasenko was taken and he's not even an NHL regular years later. Former 1st rounders who haven't disappointed can certainly still be worth a 1st. He could be worth two seconds.

I think the kid is one of our best and most valuable prospects right now.

Fire of the Phoenix · 03-28-2016, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

He could be worth a late 1st. David Rundblad was traded for the pick Vlad Tarasenko was taken and he's not even an NHL regular years later. Former 1st rounders who haven't disappointed can certainly still be worth a 1st. He could be worth two seconds.

I think the kid is one of our best and most valuable prospects right now.

Is it wrong that I would be happy if Jankowski was traded for a late 1st? If that's on the table, Treliving could parlay that 1st into a starting goalie. It would be brilliant asset management in my eyes.

GoJetsGo · 03-28-2016, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

Is it wrong that I would be happy if Jankowski was traded for a late 1st? If that's on the table, Treliving could parlay that 1st into a starting goalie. It would be brilliant asset management in my eyes.

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Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

If he chooses not to sign, I honestly think the chances he is dealt are around 0%. Why would another team trade for his rights when they could just try to sign him for free in August? If this was a Connor/Gaudreau level prospect I could see it, but I'm not sure other teams will be eager to give up an asset for a prospect like Jankowski.

Fighting Banana Slug · 03-28-2016, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

This usually doesn't happen though. When it does, it's almost always for an established NHLer.

That was different, he wasn't a pending UFA. It was also unique in that I believe (obviously can't prove) that there was some degree of tampering going on there. It was just too convenient that Erixon happened to get dealt to his daddy's team. NYR also didn't want to run the risk of not getting to draft Erixon if he re-entered the draft. It's hard to compare the Erixon situation to anything really. It's a better comparable to the Lindros trade than any pending UFA college player situation.

When you say 'more than a 2nd', how much more could he realistically get in your eyes? He's definitely not worth a 1st, that's the price for established NHLers or blue chippers. Are you thinking 2nd+4th/C prospect or something? I mean, I guess it's possible, I just wouldn't bet on it is all.

I think the Flames are either going to sign the player or get the compensation. I would be shocked if this went down any other way.

It won't be much more than the 51st in 2017, but it can't be less. The Flames would let him walk in that circumstance.
It is all about the value proposition for each team: The Flames presumably value him more than the 51st. At least one other team need to value him more than the 51st. In that case, the small extra is likely worth the exclusive negotiating window. Not a certainty by any means, but the 51st is the floor.

Fire of the Phoenix · 03-28-2016, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

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What are you getting at? Did you follow the flow of the conversation at all?

My second comment was tongue in cheek. I don't think Jankowski is worth a starting goalie or a 1st.

GoJetsGo · 03-28-2016, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

What are you getting at? Did you follow the flow of the conversation at all?

My second comment was tongue in cheek. I don't think Jankowski is worth a starting goalie or a 1st.

That context didn't come through very clearly. It looked like in one instance you said he wouldn't be traded (for sound reasons) and then started talking about how you'd be happy if he garnered a first. People say crazy things on here all the time, it really wasn't very clear.

Fire of the Phoenix · 03-28-2016, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

That context didn't come through very clearly. It looked like in one instance you said he wouldn't be traded (for sound reasons) and then started talking about how you'd be happy if he garnered a first. People say crazy things on here all the time, it really wasn't very clear.

Well, I can believe he won't be traded for said reasons and still be happy if he was traded for what I would construe as an over payment.

I was telling FDW that I don't think he's worth much more than a 2nd in a trade. It stands to reason that I would be happy if he was traded for more than that.

GoJetsGo · 03-28-2016, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

Well, I can believe he won't be traded for said reasons and still be happy if he was traded for what I would construe as an over payment.

I was telling FDW that I don't think he's worth much more than a 2nd in a trade. It stands to reason that I would be happy if he was traded for more than that.

I'm sure we'd both be happy if he was traded for first over all as well. Just seems odd to bring it up, especially after being so adamant he won't be traded for anything at all due to potentially being a UFA in a few months. I understand what you're saying now, but you asked how it was confusing at first. There's your answer.

Roof-Daddy · 03-28-2016, 01:05 PM

So it's been what, 67 hours since this thread was started?

Hmmm...

saillias · 03-28-2016, 01:06 PM

I for one look forward to booing Jankowski when he shows up at the Dome in a Rangers jersey next fall.

btimbit · 03-28-2016, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

So it's been what, 67 hours since this thread was started?

Hmmm...

Maybe it was business days

kkaleR · 03-28-2016, 01:12 PM

Thread may have been started then but that particular piece of news came out about 24h later.

heep223 · 03-28-2016, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

http://www.tsn.ca/tsn-hockey-s-top-5...pects-1.436669

Scroll down. Button has Jankowski as our 2nd best prospect after Gillies. I think fans on this board in general underrate Jankowski and his value.

I wonder where he'd place Shinkaruk. He had him 3rd for the Canucks behind Demko and Boeser.

Fire of the Phoenix · 03-28-2016, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by heep223

I wonder where he'd place Shinkaruk. He had him 3rd for the Canucks behind Demko and Boeser.

Hard to say, he doesn't even have Poirier listed, who is a pretty good comparable in my eyes. I think he'd have Shinkaruk outside of the top 5 based on that but who knows?

RM14 · 03-28-2016, 01:20 PM

What are some of the bonus incentives that Janko would be pushing for and the flames holding back on due to Salary Cap issues for next year?

bubbsy · 03-28-2016, 01:29 PM

sorry, is there any update on this situation, or is the last real peice of news what came out on HNIC, which is to expect something in next 24-48 hours?

Erick Estrada · 03-28-2016, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by saillias

I for one look forward to booing Jankowski when he shows up at the Dome in a Rangers jersey next fall.

Chances are the guy that drafted him in Vancouver will be all over him if he becomes available and that team above most could likely guarantee him a quicker progression into the NHL. I wouldn't be surprised if the Canucks have been in his parents or agents ear regarding the opportunity he could have there.

Lanny_McDonald · 03-28-2016, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Chances are the guy that drafted him in Vancouver will be all over him if he becomes available and that team above most could likely guarantee him a quicker progression into the NHL. I wouldn't be surprised if the Canucks have been in his parents or agents ear regarding the opportunity he could have there.

That's called tampering and is a very serious allegation. I would think the Flames would have the league all over the Canucks like white on rice if there was the slightest hint of impropriety. I would also think that if the Canucks were that enamored with Jankowski they would work traditional avenues and try to trade for him rather than risk a tampering investigation and being subject to fines and loss of draft picks.

Vinny01 · 03-28-2016, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by New Era

That's called tampering and is a very serious allegation. I would think the Flames would have the league all over the Canucks like white on rice if there was the slightest hint of impropriety. I would also think that if the Canucks were that enamored with Jankowski they would work traditional avenues and try to trade for him rather than risk a tampering investigation and being subject to fines and loss of draft picks.

Tampering is tough to prove. If he signs with the Canucks on Aug 15th how can the Flames prove there was tampering? Weisbroad is very familiar with the player and they have less organizational depth. I could see why Jankowski wouldn't want to sign here in favor of the easier road with an AGM that he knows well