Jankowski/Gilmour signing watch. (Friedman: "Arm-wrestling" over bonuses)

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

That would make him a lower tier 1C.

WHere would that put him on our depth chart vs Monahan, Backlund, and Bennett?

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

WHere would that put him on our depth chart?

I think that would create a situation where he is 1a/1b with Monahan and Bennett goes to the wing. It would be pretty amazing, and the best case scenario. I like the bigger Backlund comparison the best though. Realistically, that is the most likely scenario if Jankowski makes it at all.

[Matty81]

Hathaway and Hamilton demoted. Someone is incoming. Either they want to look at somebody else from Stockton or Janko has been signed.

https://twitter.com/DarrenWHaynes/st...11493077700609

EDIT * My bad, looks like potentially a bunch of AHL guys already incoming

[dammage79]

If Janko pans out the Flames could have a happy problem like Pittsburgh did when they had Jordan Staal.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Backlund was a thoroughbred?

First time I've ever heard that.

More a reflection of the sorry prospect pool at the time. Compared to everyone else, he was a thoroughbred On nearly every other team he would've struggled to crack the top 5.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Backlund was a thoroughbred... He was one of the best players in Junior when he was with the Rockets as a 19 year old. 13 goals 23 pts in 19 CHL playoff games. As a 21 year old (Janko's age) he had 25 pts +4 in 73 NHL games and was being pushed off the puck way too easily.

Not even remotely close to this point in Jankowski's career compared to 21 year old Backlund.

That's not entirely accurate. Backlund was a bit of a disappointment when he first came over and then had a pretty good playoff for the Rockets. Jamie Benn drove the Rockets to the success they had, supported by the likes of Backlund, Tyson Barrie and Tyler Myers. There were higher expectations for Backlund in junior and he never achieved them. He also had some pretty high expectations on him in the NHL and he struggled to find his way early on as well, fighting inconsistency and injuries along the way. Backlund didn't really break out until he was 24, but then had a injury plagued year to follow that up. He's turned it around again this year and looks poised to set a career high of breaking the 40 point barrier as a 26 year old. Backlund's go has not been as good as you would try and lead some to believe.

[RedHot25]

Originally Posted by Matty81

Hathaway and Hamilton demoted. Someone is incoming. Either they want to look at somebody else from Stockton or Janko has been signed.

https://twitter.com/DarrenWHaynes/st...11493077700609

Isn't this just for the other recalls they did today?

[Matty81]

Originally Posted by RedHot25

Isn't this just for the other recalls they did today?

Yep, my miss.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

Would anyone be pissed if Shinkaruk walked without a return? Poirier? Kylington? Andersson? Hickey?

Janko's in that same class of player, not sure why anyone would be fine with getting nothing for him. A late 2nd is not a good return at all.

IF IF IF he decides not to sign we have all summer to deal his rights. They are worth at least a 2nd and probably more.

But that's a big IF. Why don't we wait a day or two and see before going off the deep end about squandering assets, mistakes, etc.

So many premature statements.

[Bingo]

Really looking forward to the summer prospect poll process this winter. With Shinkaruk added, some new draft picks and Jankowski likely signed and entering pro hockey it should make for an interesting top 10.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

No one is saying that Jankowski is 'ready' for the NHL. It's just the way things are done now.

Hanowski got 5 games

Agostino got 8 games

Arnold got a game.

Were any of those guys more ready or more deserving?

I agree with the assessment that, if Treliving holds firm, it is because he is happy with the compensation.

That was under Feaster. Treliving may do things differently. The way Feaster did things doesn't need to be the way Treliving does things.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

I apologize if this has been addressed, but...

If Jankowski has to immediately report to the AHL / NHL after signing a contract, but he has until August to sign before the Flames lose his rights, then why wouldn't he wait until his finals are over? Unlike a 3rd year collegiate player, he's just a few weeks from finishing his classes. Wouldn't it make sense to get his academic work finished and then sign?

I'm just playing the role of a parent here. I suspect he probably has the requisite credits to graduate, but perhaps he (or his family) doesn't want to leave his current classes unfinished?

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Backlund was a thoroughbred?

First time I've ever heard that.

Well Backlund was one of the better 18 and 19 year olds at the WJC when he played in the Tourney. Realistically Backlund had a seriously superior U20 resume to Jankowski. Backlund just couldn't stay healthy as a pro his first few seasons. I'll be honest, I personally doubt Jankowski will ever be the player Backlund currently is. Not saying he can't be a player, but even getting a Backlund player is tough to do.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

IF IF IF he decides not to sign we have all summer to deal his rights. They are worth at least a 2nd and probably more.

But that's a big IF. Why don't we wait a day or two and see before going off the deep end about squandering assets, mistakes, etc.

So many premature statements.

If he chooses not to sign, I honestly think the chances he is dealt are around 0%. Why would another team trade for his rights when they could just try to sign him for free in August? If this was a Connor/Gaudreau level prospect I could see it, but I'm not sure other teams will be eager to give up an asset for a prospect like Jankowski.

Another team also won't been keen to trade a better asset than 51st overall for Jankowski IMO. They run the risk of losing Jankowski for the 51st overall, but trading a better asset for the opportunity. It doesn't really make sense.

Also, why would Treliving bother? He knows he gets the 51st overall pick already. If he trades him for another 2nd instead, he risks it being a worse 2nd. There's just no incentive either way IMO. Actually, now that I'm thinking about it, when was the last time a pending UFA college player was traded? I can't think of one off the top of my head.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

If he chooses not to sign, I honestly think the chances he is dealt are around 0%. Why would another team trade for his rights when they could just try to sign him for free in August? If this was a Connor/Gaudreau level prospect I could see it, but I'm not sure other teams will be eager to give up an asset for a prospect like Jankowski.

Another team also won't been keen to trade a better asset than 51st overall for Jankowski IMO. They run the risk of losing Jankowski for the 51st overall, but trading a better asset for the opportunity. It doesn't really make sense.

Also, why would Treliving bother? He knows he gets the 51st overall pick already. If he trades him for another 2nd instead, he risks it being a worse 2nd. There's just no incentive either way IMO. Actually, now that I'm thinking about it, when was the last time a pending UFA college player was traded? I can't think of one off the top of my head.

Why would a team EVER trade for an UFA's rights before July 1st when they could sign him for free on July 1st? To get the exclusive negotiating window. And in that case they get nothing if he doesn't sign. In Jankowski's case they'd get a 2nd. So his value is at least a 2nd.

Why did the Rangers trade two 2nds and a prospect for a guy (Tim Erixon) that would've just re-entered the draft if they didn't sign him? Pretty risky right? They were getting nothing if he didn't sign.

All the Flames have to do is tell Jankowski's agent he can talk to every team. Then they find a team they like and Treliving demands more than a 2nd. There you go.

[GreenLantern2814]

This discussion is going to look foolish in a few hours.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

This discussion is going to look foolish in a few hours.

We hope so.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

Well Backlund was one of the better 18 and 19 year olds at the WJC when he played in the Tourney. Realistically Backlund had a seriously superior U20 resume to Jankowski. Backlund just couldn't stay healthy as a pro his first few seasons. I'll be honest, I personally doubt Jankowski will ever be the player Backlund currently is. Not saying he can't be a player, but even getting a Backlund player is tough to do.

I am kind of curious as to how Jankowski is viewed outside of the Flames fan base. I don't have my eyes and ears tuned outwards, but I certainly haven't heard much hype. Fans often tend to overrate their own prospects.

I took a look at HF's rankings, which I don't put a lot of thought into, but they have Jankowski right below Brett Pollock and just above Bill Arnold on the Flames depth chart (Pollock having a higher ceiling, but slightly less probability of success). He is the "Wotherspoon" of forward prospects.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Why would a team EVER trade for an UFA's rights at the draft when they could sign him for free a week later? To get the exclusive negotiating window. And in that case they get nothing if he doesn't sign. In Jankowski's case they'd get a 2nd. So his value is at least a 2nd.

This usually doesn't happen though. When it does, it's almost always for an established NHLer.

Why did the Rangers trade two 2nds and a prospect for a guy (Tim Erixon) that would've just re-entered the draft if they didn't sign him? Pretty risky right? They were getting nothing if he didn't sign.

That was different, he wasn't a pending UFA. It was also unique in that I believe (obviously can't prove) that there was some degree of tampering going on there. It was just too convenient that Erixon happened to get dealt to his daddy's team. NYR also didn't want to run the risk of not getting to draft Erixon if he re-entered the draft. It's hard to compare the Erixon situation to anything really. It's a better comparable to the Lindros trade than any pending UFA college player situation.

All the Flames have to do is tell Jankowski's agent he can talk to every team. Then they find a team they like and Treliving demands more than a 2nd. There you go.

When you say 'more than a 2nd', how much more could he realistically get in your eyes? He's definitely not worth a 1st, that's the price for established NHLers or blue chippers. Are you thinking 2nd+4th/C prospect or something? I mean, I guess it's possible, I just wouldn't bet on it is all.

I think the Flames are either going to sign the player or get the compensation. I would be shocked if this went down any other way.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I am kind of curious as to how Jankowski is viewed outside of the Flames fan base. I don't have my eyes and ears tuned outwards, but I certainly haven't heard much hype. Fans often tend to overrate their own prospects.

I took a look at HF's rankings, which I don't put a lot of thought into, but they have Jankowski right below Brett Pollock and just above Bill Arnold on the Flames depth chart (Pollock having a higher ceiling, but slightly less probability of success). He is the "Wotherspoon" of forward prospects.

http://www.tsn.ca/tsn-hockey-s-top-5...pects-1.436669

Scroll down. Button has Jankowski as our 2nd best prospect after Gillies. I think fans on this board in general underrate Jankowski and his value.