The kind that knows the level of terrorism is far behind the level of any other violence or even non violence in the western world. And in many cases the world it came from.
The voice of reason that knows people wanted to kill people from other ideologies from time immemorial.
The voice that joked about fear-mongering and laughed?
Congratulations Daradon, your different and you have a voice that's weak and about 0.001% of the population. Then again if that were true you wouldn't read this thread.
Update, another explosion at a subway station, possibly 10 more killed and many more injured.
If you're waiting for a time when the sudden and violent deaths of dozens of people in a public place won't be a newsworthy or political story, you'll be waiting a long time. May as well wonder why the media made such a big deal out of those four U of C students who were stabbed to death a year or so ago when hundreds of people a day die from dysentery and malaria.
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If you're waiting for a time when the sudden and violent deaths of dozens of people in a public place won't be a newsworthy or political story, you'll be waiting a long time. May as well wonder why the media made such a big deal out of those four U of C students who were stabbed to death a year or so ago when hundreds of people a day die from dysentery and malaria.
Well this is sorta untrue - and prime example is this thread.
1 page back - 30 people die in Turkey - literally not one response in this thread.
34 people die in Belgium - many responses and a who new thread dedicated to it.
We are halfway there to us not blowing the stories out of proportion- as we only care about innocents dying from terrorism in certain countries.
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White lives matter, who cares about brown people from meh countries?
Brown people from "meh" countries (if I understand what you mean by that) are far and away the worst-affected victims of terrorism and Islamism.
This may have been your point... I couldn't tell because of the sarcasm.
On another note, I posted this in the Paris thread but it belongs here.
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Whether we like it or not, the far right is on the rise and will only grow as these attacks continue. Scared, paranoid people rarely if ever make rational decisions.
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White lives matter, who cares about brown people from meh countries?
A few good analogies from the when Paris attacks happened on this false-backlash against the media never hyping up attacks in the middle east/Africa. While equally as sad and tragic, those attacks are farther away, in different cultures, and sadly, more common. It is human nature to be more interested/concerned for those that are similar to you, or are in similar circumstances.
"The middle east is like your baby cousin, he poops himself 5 times a day. You're used to it, and it's hardly worth talking about. But when your 21 year old brother (Europe) does it, it is certainly cause for concern."
Whether we like it or not, the far right is on the rise and will only grow as these attacks continue. Scared, paranoid people rarely if ever make rational decisions.
The left can stop this trend if we can get everyone to pull their damned heads out of the sand and speak honestly and directly about the problems we face, by consistent reference to our liberal values.
The rise of the far right, particularly on this issue, has been the direct result of a vacuum there as a result of the left's complete unwillingness to even acknowledge that there's a problem here at all.
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News sites make choices about what to report and how much resources to devote to each story. One of the factors in those choices is how easy it is for their readers to put themselves in the shoes of the people involved in a crime or catastrophe.
I'm not sure what people want to see change. That news organizations give no consideration to language, proximity, and culture when deciding what stories to run? So the front page of every newspaper and website would be a dozen stories about buses crashing in Kuala Lampur, gang shootings in Soweto, and bombings in the Philippines?
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If this day gets you riled up, you obviously aren't numb to the disappointment yet to be a real fan.
The left can stop this trend if we can get everyone to pull their damned heads out of the sand and speak honestly and directly about the problems we face, by consistent reference to our liberal values.
The rise of the far right, particularly on this issue, has been the direct result of a vacuum there as a result of the left's complete unwillingness to even acknowledge that there's a problem here at all.
Just a question on your use of left and right as I think of those as references to a political spectrum not religious. I'm assuming "right" refers to Christian extremists?
The rise of the far-right, or the demagogic right, is an interesting phenomenon in itself, and is perhaps not as knee-jerk or as irrational as many people make it out to be. Our post-modern, post-Christian societies have evolved over the last 50 years under a consensus that what really matters everyone shares the same basic rational self-interest that the preservation of social institutions - like the free-market, democratic elections, and a free press - because they are good in and of themselves, but also tend to protect the collective, and the individuality equally, but with a preference for the autonomous individual. Everyone could be welcomed because culture doesn't really matter only an individual's interest, so who are you to block an immigrant from coming as all he wants is the same thing that you want - to take care of himself, and possibly his family.
I still think that this is fundamentally true for most people. However, the fact that we have obviously poisoned our own well when it comes to immigration by possibly being too generous, or perhaps too self-interested, and combined with the increasing reality that our representative institutions are self-selected to serve the interests of some more than others has certainly lead to a culture-wide shock, starting in Europe and now, with Trump, spreading to the United States. It is only a matter of time before it ends up in the remnants of the believing Commonwealth - Canada, Australia and New Zealand.
So there is a dual perception of betrayal leading to the rise of the far-right driven by a very profound cynicism. People see the rise of Muslim extremism as a signal that our elites don't take their own cultures seriously, otherwise why else let in such large numbers of hostile immigrants, and two, that the immigrants are now direct competitors to the further economic and social degradation of the lower classes.
Insouciance from right-thinking liberals and conservatives will only empower the radicals further, and pull the electorate more, and more towards extreme, but false solutions from a new brand of leadership.
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The left can stop this trend if we can get everyone to pull their damned heads out of the sand and speak honestly and directly about the problems we face, by consistent reference to our liberal values.
The rise of the far right, particularly on this issue, has been the direct result of a vacuum there as a result of the left's complete unwillingness to even acknowledge that there's a problem here at all.
Starting to think this too. But what can we do?
This is a super messy issue. Obviously there is a loud minority of islam that is responsible for the vast majority of these major attacks but you can't truly go after them unless you start stripping the rights of innocent people in the name of "security" which in turn is giving them the victories they want anyways.
This is a super messy issue. Obviously there is a loud minority of islam that is responsible for the vast majority of these major attacks but you can't truly go after them unless you start stripping the rights of innocent people in the name of "security" which in turn is giving them the victories they want anyways.
That's not necessarily true. The first thing you do is publicly confront their ideas and stop apologizing for them and minimizing their size. And stop trying to assign cultural context, as if being another culture makes ####ty beliefs ok.
This doesn't have to be countered with Orwellian measures.
Obviously there is a loud minority of islam that is responsible for the vast majority of these major attacks but you can't truly go after them unless you start stripping the rights of innocent people in the name of "security" which in turn is giving them the victories they want anyways.
All I'm saying is that Islam should be open to the same "fair game" criticism that Christianity is. Right now it isn't, because people so entwine race with Islam, that they're afraid to sound racist for criticising an Abrahamic religion.
Shattering walls starts with dialogue and there's a pretty significant protective wall around that religion right now.
