Update: Sharks 1st Rounder on the move...details coming.

[Drury18]

In anticipation of the Trade Deadline, the San Jose Sharks announce their 1st Round Draft Pick is on the block. We have a realistic run for the Cup going on and prefer to keep that dream alive then rebuilding. Plus, we have about a dozen 3rd rounders which is more where I like to play anyway.

The return the Sharks are looking for in order to move the 1st rounder is:


Premier Defenceman under 30 years old and NOT having a season where they will likely re-rate lower
2nd Line RW under 30 who plays like a 1st Line RW and can move up in a season or two


If you are interested in one of the 3rd Rounders mentioned we are looking for a return on those of:

• 3rd/4th Line LW with passing ability and defensive minded
• 3rd/4th line RW with scoring ability
• Preference given to younger/RFA players over older/UFA/expiring contract players

For Sale on the Sharks:

• Michael Ryder - Late 3rd Round Draft Pick
  Max Talbot - 4th Round Draft Pick
• Sean Bergenheim - 4th Round Draft Pick
  Brandon Pirri - willing to trade for a similar player in a 3rd line role
• Karri Ramo -willing to look at offers for him
• Fedor Tyutin - willing to look at offers for him

[Drury18]

Pirri and Talbot have found new homes.

Surprisingly, only one offer made for my 1st round pick. I kind of thought more people would be interested in one of those. Pirri took in more offers then the 1st.

[Goffie]

Originally Posted by Drury18

Pirri and Talbot have found new homes.

Surprisingly, only one offer made for my 1st round pick. I kind of thought more people would be interested in one of those. Pirri took in more offers then the 1st.

I think it is more people not wanting to give up a premier defenseman or a potential top line winger for a later 1st than interest in the 1st.

That being said Braydon Coburn is still looking to go to a contender.

[Drury18]

Considering some of the previous trades (and offers) for 1st round picks, I don't think my asking is out of line at all.

Right now, I'm slated to pick mid round in the 1st. Not a bad pick at all.

Cobourn is a 4th pairing guy on the Lightning who doesn't produce like he used to and getting old. Wouldn't be worth my 1st.

[Goffie]

Not a bad pick at all. I just don't think many teams are in position to move out an under 30 top 6 or top 4 guy for a pick right now.

Not saying Coburn is what he used to be but he is only 30 and still 4th in icetime/game for the lightning and just signed a new 3 year deal there so I think he is a useful player. That being said maybe he should stay here where I need some vets to keep my underachieving youth hotdogs in line. My team sucks.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Drury18

Considering some of the previous trades (and offers) for 1st round picks, I don't think my asking is out of line at all.

Right now, I'm slated to pick mid round in the 1st. Not a bad pick at all.

Cobourn is a 4th pairing guy on the Lightning who doesn't produce like he used to and getting old. Wouldn't be worth my 1st.

Its not that its a bad pick, but its still a pick IMO. So I look at a guy like Keith (who doesn't quite fit because he is over 30 mind you) and would rather keep him than take a pick and wait probably 3 years until that is useful in the CPHL. Most likely a guy taken at #15 is looking at a year of AHL, then a year of NHL and then he is rated what...65ov in the CPHL the year after? In the meantime a guy like Keith is rated significantly higher, and there's a pretty solid chance he would be in three years time as well.

Just my rationale though, and I could be totally wrong given all of the CPHL titles we've hung from the rafters in my tenure!

[Drury18]

This league honestly confuses me sometimes.

GM's ask for 1st's for almost any big name deal. Or 1st equivalents. We make huge deals when people deal 1st's for what other think are inferior deals for them. They are a high currency in this league.

I come up offering a 1st and state that I won't move it unless it's a big deal and the responses are "Well, they aren't that great and take years to develop" and basically shooting down the value of the 1st to the point it seems like a useless piece for a trade.

Which one is it guys?

[simmer2]

It's all part of making a trade....negotiations.

I've always found one on one conversations go better in this league than throwing out a blanket 'I'll move this for this'.

That's my take on it anyways.

[Drury18]

Well, lots of GM's aren't answering PM's so that makes it tough. The ones I've reached out to aren't interested in any negotiations.

Figured maybe this would wake a few people up. Especially with the trade deadline closing in.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Drury18

This league honestly confuses me sometimes.

GM's ask for 1st's for almost any big name deal. Or 1st equivalents. We make huge deals when people deal 1st's for what other think are inferior deals for them. They are a high currency in this league.

I come up offering a 1st and state that I won't move it unless it's a big deal and the responses are "Well, they aren't that great and take years to develop" and basically shooting down the value of the 1st to the point it seems like a useless piece for a trade.

Which one is it guys?

Well I don't think there is a hard and fast, but that's just my thought on this. I looked at the post and am sort of interested in adding a first (of course), but there is a cost-benefit analysis that everyone has to do as well.

So let me ask you, do you think that my thoughts on that are wrong? Because that could certainly be the case.

[Goffie]

I only posted my thoughts on why I think it would be hard for most people to move a roster player for a pick, nothing wrong with throwing it out there. I love anything to get trades moving. Negotiations are fun and need to start somewhere to get the ball rolling.

As for people not responding to PMs that is unacceptable and needs to stop. A simple no thanks is all it takes sometimes.

But I do agree with Drury that not enough teams look to get better and do not respond unless you reach out to them.

[simmer2]

Originally Posted by Drury18

Well, lots of GM's aren't answering PM's so that makes it tough. The ones I've reached out to aren't interested in any negotiations.

Figured maybe this would wake a few people up. Especially with the trade deadline closing in.

Well shame on them. Trade talks keep the league going so if they aren't responding that's not cool.

I'm always open to chat trades so maybe I'll look and see if there's a fit!

[JiriHrdina]

First I think it is great that you made a specific post outlining a possible deal. We need more of that.
From my point of view, I love 1sts, but the guys I have that fit your description are not guys I would give up for a pick in the teens, as I feel that more than likely the player I pick there will be worse than the guy I'm giving up, even in the long-run.

[Drury18]

Originally Posted by Slava

Well I don't think there is a hard and fast, but that's just my thought on this. I looked at the post and am sort of interested in adding a first (of course), but there is a cost-benefit analysis that everyone has to do as well.

So let me ask you, do you think that my thoughts on that are wrong? Because that could certainly be the case.

For how I play the game, I think they are wrong. But there's so many styles that perhaps it's not wrong for everyone. Which makes my statement probably a little worse sounding then intended upon reflection.

If you were to trade Keith for a 1st and honestly have the mindset that you are going to hold onto that 1st and pick someone and develop them over 3 years, I think you are approaching it wrong because yes, you are trading an established player and contributor to your team for something that does nothing right now. That's a terrible move for your team. (To state this in a completely oversimplified manner)

If you were trying to improve your team and Keith was an expendable piece because you have two more 25 year old versions of him coming and nothing up front and you trade him for a 1st and then use that 1st to get a piece that betters your team in another area that trading Keith wouldn't let you (due to large contract/term/age), I think you are doing it correctly.

Plus, I trade quite a bit. For teams who don't trade or choose not to be as active, I could see where a 1st round pick handcuffs you because you aren't going to go be active and find buyers for that pick to improve your team, you are "stuck" with it for 3 years until they play. I'm active. Moving a 1st or acquiring a 1st is just another asset in the bucket so that I can better my team. Although with the majority of the league not being active traders and only having the same partners over and over, I can see where eventually the well runs dry and the 1st isn't lucrative because no one who will actually answer you or will move anything off their team will answer you or be interested.

[Caged Great]

I have offered three first liners that are UFA aged (Plekanec/Sedin/Marleau), but still first line guys and the best offers I received for any of them was a guy who has the potential to be as good possibly as Cody Eakin or a younger D-man with a large amount of concussion issues that will probably negate his ability to reach his potential as a 3-4 guy.

So, it's a bit of a rough market out there this season.

[flambers]

Personally, I always find 1st round picks tend have more value when the league get's closer to the draft.

During the season, moving a key asset on your team is a risk... (dang SIM chemistry)

Personally I like to trade.... always open to acquire picks.... or the reverse moving picks for players.

Plus I like draft picks and prospects (i.e. I have quite a few on the THN rankings)

[Drury18]

Sharks 1st rounder has been moved...details coming.