[PGT] Jets shot down in Flames (4-1)

[Plett25]

Originally Posted by Dion

I'll take "Hockey players smaller than Johnny Gaudreau" for $400 Alex.

[Erick Estrada]

Boy the Jets are shamelessly bad. You can't tell me Andrew Lad was so important that without him they play to the level of an AHL team. You have one veteran team in the Jets vs a young team like the Flames boasting a lot of AHL call-ups and it was the Jets that looked AHL quality while the Flames looked like a real NHL team. Pretty disgusting.

[Huntingwhale]

I thought Freddie had a good game. Almost scored on his partial breakaway. Pretty cool to see 2 brothers play in the NHL together on the same team, no matter who they are.

Bloody amazing that Gaudreau has 70(!) pts this season, and more to come!

The tank crowd won't be to happy with the loss, but at least the Oilers won too. Solid win, and I'll take wins over losses any day of the week!

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by debil

Great. Again no top3 pick , this was perfect season to get top talent for the first line, but no flames have to start winning in the most unwanted moment. Enjoy watching big top-end talent RW Puljujarvi in some other jersey and make yourself proud you didn't tank in those last totally useless games.

There is a team up north you should be cheering for.

Without a doubt you are the worst type of fan.

I don't care where the Flames pick, I want them to play out the season and go all out every night. Our young guys need to learn how to play through adversity and we need to continue to develop a winning culture.

We pay scouts good money to find talent outside of the top 3.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

We pay scouts good money to find talent outside of the top 3.

But there is no talent outside of the top 3!

Signed,
The Edmonton Oilers' scouting staff, 2006-2015
(Now unemployed)

P.S. Do you know if Orange Julius is hiring?

[Roof-Daddy]

If Ramo hadn't gotten hurt, and Hiller hadn't completely forgotten how to play goalie, we may never have gotten a look at Ortio over an extended period like we have, and he may have been gone from the organization for good.

I don't know what's going to happen with him now, but with the way he has played, and if he continues to play that way, he certainly deserves another contract and a chance to at least be the back up next season.

[Roof-Daddy]

I also loved the graphic they put up last night which showed Dougie putting up roughly 0.2 points per game in his first 20-25 games and since then, about 40+ games, he's at like 0.7 points per game.

Just a sick, offensive, puck moving D core the Flames have.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Sorry if I missed in the GDT, but was Freddie recalled on a regular call-up rather than on an emergency call up? Monahan and Backlund both played (and I didn't think Bennett was the issue).

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug

Sorry if I missed in the GDT, but was Freddie recalled on a regular call-up rather than on an emergency call up? Monahan and Backlund both played (and I didn't think Bennett was the issue).

He was called up in the case of various players not being able to play. Speculation was Backlund or Monahan as both were banged up, but it ended up being Agostino who sat out (injured I presume since he wasn't sent back down).

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Boy the Jets are shamelessly bad. You can't tell me Andrew Lad was so important that without him they play to the level of an AHL team. You have one veteran team in the Jets vs a young team like the Flames boasting a lot of AHL call-ups and it was the Jets that looked AHL quality while the Flames looked like a real NHL team. Pretty disgusting.

The Jets directed 51 shots towards goal (22 blocked) vs 33 for Calgary (12 blocked). The 1st and 3rd periods the Jets were better and had more pressure, with the 2nd being a dud and both teams doing nothing. The flu is running thru the team and I'm sure Buff was feeling miserable post game. Lots of injuries too. The difference was goaltending.

And they're shamelessly bad? Did you even watch last nights game or did you just check the boxscore? Actually if you checked the boxscore I wouldn't expect such a shallow wrap up. Perhaps you just saw the score on your way to work.

edit: https://twitter.com/SeanTierneyTss/s...938944/photo/1 Dominated the puck.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by debil

Sure it's difficult to tell them to lose intentionally but you can scratch your top players call up some farm guys and prospects. yet it is still doable, Peter Forsberg admitted their national team tanked in the olympics to avoid canada/russia and you know what they won the gold.

So many things wrong with this.

1) "Scratch your top players and call up some farm guys and prospects"

Hey now, have you seen the Flames lineup lately? It's pretty pitiful outside of Monahan, Gaudreau, Giordano, and Hamilton....maaaayyybeee Backlund and Frolik. It's not like they're icing the very best lineup they've had all year. What you're seeing is the guys from the farm come up and try their very best to audition for next year. It might be the only chance they have to make the NHL, and you want them to play less hard? Possibly ruin their chances at an NHL career? Just for the sake of a slightly better LOTTERY CHANCE for a top 3 pick?

No, what you do is you build good habits wherever you are in the season. It's no coincidence that the good run in the last half of 13/14 directly led to the team getting off to a great start in 14/15, and eventually making the playoffs and winning a playoff round. If you don't start that process of building winning habits urgently at all times, you end up like the Oilers, who have never figured out winning habits, and probably never will.

2) "Peter Forsberg admitted to tanking to avoid Canada/Russia"

Well first of all, I don't remember that quote, so you'll have to refresh my memory. Doesn't sound like something Forsberg would say.

Secondly, that's ONE GAME in a short tournament run once every 4 years, with a LOT of international prestige on the line.. Not 15-20 games in an NHL season that occurs every year for more than 6 months at a time. Losing one game simply because you would rather not play a better team in the next round is not what you are advocating. You're saying, "go out and lose every game, regardless if it's damaging long term to your psyche and on-ice ability, so that I, as a fan, can enjoy having a shiny new toy." That line of thinking is deplorable, and I'm sick to death of it.

So basically, take that stuff elsewhere.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Resurrection

The Jets directed 51 shots towards goal (22 blocked) vs 33 for Calgary (12 blocked). The 1st and 3rd periods the Jets were better and had more pressure, with the 2nd being a dud and both teams doing nothing. The flu is running thru the team and I'm sure Buff was feeling miserable post game. Lots of injuries too. The difference was goaltending.

And they're shamelessly bad? Did you even watch last nights game or did you just check the boxscore? Actually if you checked the boxscore I wouldn't expect such a shallow wrap up. Perhaps you just saw the score on your way to work.

edit: https://twitter.com/SeanTierneyTss/s...938944/photo/1 Dominated the puck.

Flames led by more than a goal for 90% of the hockey game. Of course the Jets are going to end up with more shot attempts.

Did you watch the game? Because the Jets didn't generate a whole lot of good scoring chances. If you think the difference was goaltending, well... okay then

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Flames led by more than a goal for 90% of the hockey game. Of course the Jets are going to end up with more shot attempts.

Did you watch the game? Because the Jets didn't generate a whole lot of good scoring chances. If you think the difference was goaltending, well... okay then

Yes, I did, and, yes, I do. I don't really care that the Jets lost but the post Estrada made was so far out of left field stupid I had to chime in.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Resurrection

Yes, I did, and, yes, I do. I don't really care that the Jets lost but the post Estrada made was so far out of left field stupid I had to chime in.

I'm curious why you think his post was so out of left field. The Jets have arguably been the worst team in the league over the past couple months. Certainly in the discussion anyway.

And with guys like Wheeler and Buff and others, it's really pretty amazing how bad they've been.

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by Resurrection

Yes, I did, and, yes, I do. I don't really care that the Jets lost but the post Estrada made was so far out of left field stupid I had to chime in.

[Bandwagon In Flames]

Originally Posted by Resurrection

The Jets directed 51 shots towards goal (22 blocked) vs 33 for Calgary (12 blocked). The 1st and 3rd periods the Jets were better and had more pressure, with the 2nd being a dud and both teams doing nothing. The flu is running thru the team and I'm sure Buff was feeling miserable post game. Lots of injuries too. The difference was goaltending.

And they're shamelessly bad? Did you even watch last nights game or did you just check the boxscore? Actually if you checked the boxscore I wouldn't expect such a shallow wrap up. Perhaps you just saw the score on your way to work.

edit: https://twitter.com/SeanTierneyTss/s...938944/photo/1 Dominated the puck.

Did you know that Edmonton commonly out-shoots their opponents too? Teams would rather sit on an early 3 goal lead then put more effort than necessary to completely embarrass the other team.

Winnipeg is a terrible team. To see where they were at a couple years ago versus now, they deserve every bit of criticism we can dish out. I mean isn't their rebuild supposed to be over by now?

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Resurrection

The Jets directed 51 shots towards goal (22 blocked) vs 33 for Calgary (12 blocked).

Other than a few shifts in the first period where our top line was being overly fancy with the puck, everything the Jets directed towards goal was from 40 feet out straight into Ortio. They at best got a few light deflections that any NHL goalie should stop and that's it. No traffic in front of Ortio (other than the time they blatantly knocked him down), very few dangerous drives, and the only time they beat a goalie who was under an .800 high danger save percentage on the season was when he himself coughed up the puck behind the net.

The 1st and 3rd periods the Jets were better and had more pressure

The Jets were actually 'better', never. While the game was actually tied at 0-0, scoring chances were 2 Flames 2 Jets, high-danger chances were Flames 1 (the goal) vs Jets 0

At best you can say the Jets put up a bit of extra pressure while they trailed by 1, which is score-driven because teams easily let up when they get an early lead.

When the Flames made that a 2-goal lead the Flames were the better team again (4 scoring chances, 3 high danger, 5 shots vs 4 scoring chances, 1 high danger, 2 actual shots).

And don't say Flames got lucky on their goals. You make your own luck. Flames had more goals in the high-danger area than Jets had shots inside the entire home plate in that first period.



Sorry, but shooting into sticks and shin pads doesn't mean you were ever better. It means you were big, fast, and dumb.

Finally, the third period was basic score management. If you've ever watched a Flames game you would know that we let teams as bad as the Avs and Sabres set up camp in our own zone when we have a lead because that's Hartley's philosophy (nothing through the middle, whatever you like from the side walls). Whether the philosophy is flawed, it has nothing to do with being 'better'.

Did you see the Flames try to do anything with the puck in the third period other than dump and change? No. That's because that's what our team does with leads, get pucks to the red line and dump them. It might be a dinosaur philosophy but it doesn't prove that your team was better, and the final score reflects that because we scored the only goals in the first and third periods despite Ortio having a pretty ho-hum night, a worse night than most where he let in two goals in the last however many games. In fact Ortio wasn't even better last night than he was against the Sens when the Sens lit him up for 5 goals, because the difference was the Sens were insanely getting dangerous chances whereas the Jets were busy messing with Nerf Blasters into the Flaming C on his jersey.

with the 2nd being a dud and both teams doing nothing.

You're right that the Flames did nothing. They sort of had a 3-0 lead going into the 2nd. That the Jets did nothing is because they were awful even while the Flames are practically begging them to do something to make the game interesting.

The flu is running thru the team and I'm sure Buff was feeling miserable post game.

Oh, the Flu. Gotcha. "We 'dominated', but we lost because of the Flu". Very consistent.

Lots of injuries too.

Yeah, because we're not without Brodie and Bennett and you guys haven't gotten better production out of Scheifele in less than a dozen games since Little went down than Little gave you in half a season.

The difference was goaltending.

Uh, Pavelec let in one bad goal, Ortio let in one bad goal.
Beyond that Pavelec let in three great chances, Ortio didn't even have to stop three great shots. The best chance the Jets got all game was a Byfuglien one-timer in the slot - that he didn't even hit the net on.

And they're shamelessly bad?

The Jets are Big, Fast, And Dumb.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Resurrection

The Jets directed 51 shots towards goal (22 blocked) vs 33 for Calgary (12 blocked). The 1st and 3rd periods the Jets were better and had more pressure, with the 2nd being a dud and both teams doing nothing. The flu is running thru the team and I'm sure Buff was feeling miserable post game. Lots of injuries too. The difference was goaltending.

And they're shamelessly bad? Did you even watch last nights game or did you just check the boxscore? Actually if you checked the boxscore I wouldn't expect such a shallow wrap up. Perhaps you just saw the score on your way to work.

edit: https://twitter.com/SeanTierneyTss/s...938944/photo/1 Dominated the puck.

Yep watched every minute and if that's your view I suggest you take off your blue goggles. The game started off pretty good because both teams were trading chances seeing they are both poor defensively but the difference was that the Jets are simply worse. Worse goaltending, worse defense, worse offensively. Flames could have had 7+ goals if they cashed in on breakaways and odd man rushes. That's a team that's mailed it in and I've been listening to the same sentiment all morning on 960 so it's not just me. I feel bad for Jets fans as that team is starting to mirror the Oilers. You can make all the excuses you want but the Flames were down Wideman after the first period and had only 3 regular defensemen in the game after that and the Jets had nothing.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Resurrection

Yes, I did, and, yes, I do. I don't really care that the Jets lost but the post Estrada made was so far out of left field stupid I had to chime in.

I made a statement echoed by many that saw the game and it was your condescending response that was stupid and out of left field. That Jets team is a total embarrassment and your response is the oblivious sort I would expect from Oilers fans after a typical loss where they are using stats like blocked shots and bad luck to distance from fact that the team was horrible.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by Resurrection

Yes, I did, and, yes, I do. I don't really care that the Jets lost but the post Estrada made was so far out of left field stupid I had to chime in.

What, that the Jets are awful?

They're worse than the Flames. They're horrendous.