[News] Proposed expansion draft rules. Expansion decision expected before 2016 draft.

[codynw]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Forgot about Nylander's previous AHL season... not sure what to think now.

Could "pro seasons" mean 40 games played like it does when it comes to UFA status?

[Dan403]

Originally Posted by MolsonInBothHands

Yes.

No.

The team that lost a player then gets to protect three more players.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by codynw

Could "pro seasons" mean 40 games played like it does when it comes to UFA status?

Well Nylander won't get 40 games this season.

[codynw]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Well Nylander won't get 40 games this season.

He has 40 pro games. Just trying to figure out why Nylander would be considered in his first year and that's the only thing that makes sense.

I guess not exactly the same as how it works for UFA status, because that only counts NHL games. But the number could be the same.

[Geeoff]

Loading the team up with prospects on entry-level deals will not be an option for an expansion team because they have to make the salary floor. (Unless they don't have to).

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

Well yeah but the new expansion team would have to be pretty dumb to pick pending UFAs when there will be better Flames left unprotected.

Yeah... but for the purposes of reaching the 25% payroll threshold it's important.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

But if Nylander is considered a 1st year pro when he is about to finish his 2nd year in the AHL, then Kylington's 1st year pro would be next season.

Wouldn't he be protected under this definition?

Nylander will burn an ELC year if he plays tommorow. I think that's what makes him a first year "pro" Otherwise next year would be his first year pro whether he plays AHL or NHL.

[Vulcan]

Kypreos on TV is saying Toronto has a better chance of getting an expansion team than QC. They'd play out of the Air Canada Centre for a few years.

[Calgary4LIfe]

So, if I am understanding this correctly, players like William Nylander and Oliver Kylington would be considered 3rd year in 2017-18, even though they were playing in a pro league before and after their draft years? Strictly going by the leagues Kylington has been playing in, this is actually his 4th year 'pro'.

I am assuming that the years prior to the draft aren't counted, correct?

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

So, if I am understanding this correctly, players like William Nylander and Oliver Kylington would be considered 3rd year in 2017-18, even though they were playing in a pro league before and after their draft years? Strictly going by the leagues Kylington has been playing in, this is actually his 4th year 'pro'.

I am assuming that the years prior to the draft aren't counted, correct?

Interesting. If "pro" means before the draft as well, wouldn't Matthews/Finns finish their second year next year?

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

So, if I am understanding this correctly, players like William Nylander and Oliver Kylington would be considered 3rd year in 2017-18, even though they were playing in a pro league before and after their draft years? Strictly going by the leagues Kylington has been playing in, this is actually his 4th year 'pro'.

I am assuming that the years prior to the draft aren't counted, correct?

This is Nylander's second pro season while Kylington is in his first.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

This is Nylander's second pro season while Kylington is in his first.

Depends on whether or not they count time in European Elite leagues. Otherwise, this would already by Nylander's third.

[saillias]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

Kypreos on TV is saying Toronto has a better chance of getting an expansion team than QC. They'd play out of the Air Canada Centre for a few years.

I'm pretty sure the Leafs would start intimidating any potential owner, if there was one.

[Resolute 14]

I'm pretty sure MLSE would charge a totally fair, not exploitative rent on the ACC during that time.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

I'm pretty sure MLSE would charge a totally fair, not exploitative rent on the ACC during that time.

I'm thinking a parting of ways between Rogers and Bell with one getting the expansion team. In such an arrangement, I'm sure it would be worked out to each parties interests. What happens to the Raptors, Toronto FC, the Argos and their holdings would be interesting as well.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

So, if I am understanding this correctly, players like William Nylander and Oliver Kylington would be considered 3rd year in 2017-18, even though they were playing in a pro league before and after their draft years? Strictly going by the leagues Kylington has been playing in, this is actually his 4th year 'pro'.

I am assuming that the years prior to the draft aren't counted, correct?

Earlier in the thread, I posted the definition of a "Professional Season" from the CBA. More than likely, this is what the league will use to determine a player's pro status for the expansion draft...

PROFESSIONAL SEASON:

The term "professional season" shall: (A) for a Player aged 18 or 19, mean any season in which such Player plays in eleven (11) or more Professional Games (including NHL Regular Season and Playoff Games, minor league regular season and playoff games, and games played in any European professional league, while under an SPC), and (B) for a Player aged 20 or older, mean any season in which such Player plays in one or more Professional Games (including NHL Regular Season and Playoff Games, minor league regular season and playoff games, and games played in any European professional league, while under an SPC).

Using that definition, any seasons played as pros in Europe before the player signed his ELC won't count as pro years. Any seasons played in a pro league (Europe, AHL/ECHL, NHL) after signing their ELCs will count.

If that's the definition they use, last season would have been considered Nylander's first pro year; this year is Kylington's; and next year's will be Matthews'.

Another interesting case is a guy like Adam Ollas Mattsson, who has played two years of pro hockey in Sweden since he was drafted, but he has not yet signed his first NHL contract. If he signs with the Flames and comes over next year, that will be considered his first pro season under the NHL CBA.


It wouldn't make any sense for the NHL to use a different definition for a professional season than what is written in the CBA. Of course, the NHL does a lot of things that don't make any sense...so, who knows?

[Walter Reed]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

But if Nylander is considered a 1st year pro when he is about to finish his 2nd year in the AHL, then Kylington's 1st year pro would be next season.

Wouldn't he be protected under this definition?

As I understand it, yes he would need to be protected.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by bobbylouie

One problem I see with all this is that a team with 4 defenseman that they want to protect will still opt for the 3-7 split and just list the 4th defenseman as a forward......then claim "says who?" when the league says he's a defenseman. This might sound farfetched at first, but really, it's not like a position is part of somebody's birthright and who really is to say. Plenty of players have switched positions in their career, even within a game. Anybody who's been around long enough to remember previous expansion drafts knows that teams have tried to get away with far worse (the Bernie Wolfe fiasco ring a bell?).

That is a somewhat interesting question...do Burns and Byfuglien revert to F for their last few games or something? This is the league that elected Ovechkin to All-NHL teams at both LW and RW, right?


The 25% thing seems to reward teams with bad contracts and punish teams w/o. Much like the amnesty buyout thing, where I think there should have been at least some sort of punishment (e.g. based on size of contract; 5M+ = give up 3rd round pick, 3M+ = 4th, 2M = 5th, etc.), but of course that ship has sailed.


In a 1 team expansion draft, is there any relevance to the order in the teams the players are picked from? I can't think of a good reason, as the new team is going to have figured out their entire roster...it would seem that perhaps it should happen a few days before the draft to give teams more time to adjust their plans.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

So

Brodie
Hamilton
Giordano

Gaudreau
Monahan
Bennett
Backlund
Frolik
Poirier
Shinkaruk

Gillies

Poirier and Shinkaruk need to do a lot over the next 2 years to get to the level that Ferland has reached.

[GirlySports]

How does expansion work as it relates to their minor league affiliate networks?